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anxiousgran Wed 16-Jan-19 16:34:40

Dgd brought home a flyer from school about this half terms "challenge".
It is called "Fabulous Fabric". The children have to imagine and draw garments made from re-cycled fabric. Then they have to "brainstorm" the fabric they have available then make the garment/garments, and as the flyer says measure themselves throughout to make sure it fits. Then they have to evaluate their work and make a poster to "advertise" their fabrics, and last but not least, wear their creations in a fashion show.

But here's the rub, she's five years old. Dil doesn't do any craft, and when dgd isn't exhausted after school, at weekends, dil works long shifts so ds can look after both dgds. They have asked me to help dgd with the project.

I was a bit dismayed, not to say upset, first for the poor child, but also myself in having to come up with something within my limitations. I'm not particularly handy myself, but have come up with a couple of ideas with the help of my sister and b-in-l.

Luckily I have some fabric and ribbon and so on, but the project idea will have to come from me as she will probably dream up a Cinderella outfit if left to herself.

At the very least the project will require dressmaking scissors, laying out the material and joining it, without it falling apart when she has to put it on unaided at the fashion show. I think it's all beyond a five year olds capability.

I'm going to use glue or staples where I can to avoid sewing, but that will require plenty of supervision if she does it. I also thought of wonder web type stuff, but that requires a hot iron.

Great Sewing Bee keeps coming to mind, and the pitfalls they encounter! We see dgds and ds most Sundays but only for a few hours and I'm worried it won't be finished in time.

She's bound to lose interest after a bit, and what infant school child wouldn't? So I will inevitably be doing most of it for her, which defeats the object.

Sorry I've made such a storm in a teacup about this, but I couldn't sleep the other night for thinking about it. I don't blame them for asking me though.

Just wondering what other gransnetters think? Also wondering if I've put this on the right forum?

GreenGran78 Fri 18-Jan-19 00:36:23

The best outfit I ever saw was in a Butlin's Fancy dress competition. Many of the children had obviously brought outfits ready-made or bought previously, but one little girl just had large chunks of grass pinned all over her clothes. The bemused judge asked her what she was supposed to be. She smiled sweetly, and said, I'm a little sod!"
The audience howled with laughter, and she won the first prize!

Jalima1108 Thu 17-Jan-19 23:58:27

Perhaps the flyer was meant for Y5 and Y6 and this 5 year old picked it up by mistake.

Even so, I can hear parents of Y6 children grumbling.

MissAdventure Thu 17-Jan-19 23:53:49

She's probably muttering away, buried under a heap of carrier bags, tinsel, material and towels..

FountainPen Thu 17-Jan-19 23:48:37

PECS. I wouldn't mind seeing the flyer if the OP could post a copy without revealing the name of the school. As worded it does seem inappropriate for such a young child which is why I suggested the doll's version a few pages upthread which would be simple and fun to do. I'm even wondering if this is an all-through school and the flyer is meant for much older children. Has the OP been back to comment further?

GabriellaG54 Thu 17-Jan-19 23:31:26

PECS
There are standards and standards.
When basic standards are met, then is the time to dabble in the frilly bits.
You don't sew buttons on a piece of cloth before making the garment.

ajanela Thu 17-Jan-19 23:23:55

I laughed out loud when I read the age of the child, I expected at least 14

PECS Thu 17-Jan-19 22:53:40

fountainpen It is difficult to know exactly what is expected. It might be totally unreasonable or perfectly fine! Trouble is OP has given her interpretation of the letter. If one finds these projects worrying ..even if it is reasonable... it might feel really overwhelming. Others may be taking it in their stride & loving it.

FountainPen Thu 17-Jan-19 22:47:30

Can I ask? If this is a half term challenge culminating in a fashion show, is it for the whole school up to year 6 with younger children only expected to participate in a limited way as appropriate for their age?

PECS Thu 17-Jan-19 22:37:34

I thought people were generally complaining that standards were not high enough...now the complaint is expectations are too high...there is no pleasing people these days ???

eazybee Thu 17-Jan-19 21:15:23

This is a ridiculous project for a five year old, who hasn't the manual dexterity required to cut fabric, thread a needle and measure herself even half -accurately. It needs to be challenged by the parents as to the value for the child, and the targets the teacher who set it believes they are meeting. Suggest parents help with the design and provide suitable materials. ie: pillowcases, old sheets etc, and the school supervises the manufacture of appropriate garments over a period of sessions in the classroom, with parental help if available.
But good luck in achieving this, as you will find it is the brainchild of enthusiastic, inexperienced teachers, without children of their own, determined to make their name, and the Head will back them. But it may prevent them from initiating something so stupid again.

Lily65 Thu 17-Jan-19 20:56:24

writing will be obsolete soon.

grannybuy Thu 17-Jan-19 20:30:58

I would much rather the homework be handwriting practice. My DD despairs of the very poor handwriting accepted by the school that DGC attend. I taught infants for many years, and correct formation of letters was deemed important. When I taught further up the school, I would continue to give practice if required, and ask for work to be rewritten if necessary. The above mentioned project should be kept for much further up the school, or, preferably, secondary school.

mcem Thu 17-Jan-19 20:23:04

Making "helpful suggestions" is simply condoning the imposition of inappropriate tasks.
Don't buy into it!
Refuse and complain!
Otherwise by the time they're 10 you'll be attempting to build and launch a space rocket for the science project!

Jalima1108 Thu 17-Jan-19 19:34:01

Time for a parental rebellion!

Nannyxthree Thu 17-Jan-19 19:31:33

Like others have suggested here, my DD thinks these homework projects are actually a test of parental involvement rather than a realist demand for work from the child.

4allweknow Thu 17-Jan-19 19:29:35

Goodness! That is an unbelievable project for a 5 year old. The public is constantly being informed about the financial hardship some families are living with yet school is expecting children to come up with all the bits and pieces necessary for projects. Never mind the creative thinking, the ability to assemble/even sew garment, my mind boggles at all the cutting, sticking whether sellotape or velcro which is expensive, and the possible need for bells, bows, ribbons
If a 5 year old can design,assemble and market a garment then look out the fashion industry. The school needs to get real!

Jalima1108 Thu 17-Jan-19 19:28:15

Girls:
Female super hero capes, Astronaut outfit, cavewoman, monster fashion, camouflage outfit, sports kits, musicians outfits.

wink

TerriBull Thu 17-Jan-19 19:15:07

PECS I try not to stick stereotypes on boys, my experience of 2 sons and a grandson is that they do it to themselves. My four year old grandson tells me that I can't play cars on the floor with him, cos I'm a girl........apparently shock only grandad will do, unless he's unavailable then grudgingly I'm allowed.

I'm well aware there are loads of male fashion designers, although coincidently many are gay, the late Alexander McQueen, Julian McDonald to name but two, possibly a creativity borne out of a sexuality that has more fluidity than some straight males. I'm not saying I agree with my four year old's intransigence in his stance on what boys can play with as opposed to girls, nor do I encourage it, but it's the way he is, at the moment at any rate, like his father and uncle before him he seems to spend an inordinate amount of time exploding and crashing cars around. Similarly his sister enjoys creative pursuits and additionally other interests that could be characterised as typically feminine.

GabriellaG54 Thu 17-Jan-19 19:00:33

IMO, it's gone well beyond a joke.
Learning the 3 Rs is more important than Gran having to cut and sew something that is plainly outside the capabilities of a 5 year old. Can you imagine a 5 yr old wielding adult scissors capable of cutting cloth, and measuring the clothes to fit.
This is one step beyond ridiculous and heaps stress on parents and the wider family who are, obviously, going to have to complete the major part of the task.
Utter nonsense.

Jalima1108 Thu 17-Jan-19 18:51:38

Seakay but in the long-term I expect you are more enterprising and more able to cope with the work environment than those who had parents who did their homework for them!

Happysexagenarian Thu 17-Jan-19 18:49:24

I think Glossgran is thinking along the right lines here. To use simple everyday materials to make a very simple garment. Even a 5 year old can stick together cut up plastic carrier bags to make a skirt - use sellotape (no sewing) and sharpie pens and glitter glue to add colour. It sounds like a fun project that shouldn't take longer than an afternoon. It's the way the project has been described that makes it sound difficult. I personally don't think 5 year olds should be given homework at all. School holidays should be just that a holiday from school work. But this project is not so different to what lots of parents do with their children anyway in the holidays. Make it fun. Have fun doing it and let us know what you GD makes.

crystaltipps Thu 17-Jan-19 18:37:48

It’s perfectly acceptable for parents of children at primary school to just say their child will not do homework, other than reading or a few spellings. Projects such as this are ill thought through and if I were the parent I’d just write a note say “x will not be doing this ......project. We consider it inappropriate for her age and of little value. It will impact on her family time, which is more important to us. Thank you”. Possibly copy in the head teacher.

PECS Thu 17-Jan-19 18:27:36

Boys: Super hero capes, Astronaut outfit, caveman, monster fashion, camouflage outfit, sports kits, musicians outfits. You just need imagination!
Many fashion designers are men.. do not stick old stereotypes on kids all the time

TerriBull Thu 17-Jan-19 17:56:52

The OP mentions "the children" in the introductory post, so I'm imagining the class comprises of boys and girls. Casting my mind back to when my boys were that age, they, like many of their male peers had no interest in what they considered girl oriented projects. From the outline of the task I can't imagine it appealing to boys per se, a minority perhaps, even in the more gender fluid world we currently inhabit. Possibly some would find fault with that, but it's a fact that children often set their own parameters of what they consider male and female roles to be. I think boys can often suffer from a female oriented education system anyway, I know mine did at times, particularly as there were only a couple of male teachers at their junior school. I remember a lot of time being wasted on -- complete shite -- sewing samplers hmm Strangely, mine have never picked up a needle and thread since.

Kisathecat Thu 17-Jan-19 17:42:45

I think partly it’s because the authorities are trying to encourage more one on one time with parents and their children, and partly this idea that “pushing” children is how to get the best out of them. In my experience, the amount of homework my child was given when he started primary totally sucked away all of our family time and the pressure it put us under, because my son wasn’t interested in any of it was huge.
We changed schools that have different homework policy. We didn’t realise that levels of homework change from school to school and it is not actually demanded by the education authority! So if I were you, and you think it’s unreasonable complain and refuse. Your DGD is not going to suffer because of it.