'B' has divided the country, but families too ...

If you purchase the property after we leave the EU you could get Montenegran citizenship too, petra!

I'm puzzled by how these parents who voted leave were able to hide their racist views from their children all those years.
Surely it didn't come as a shock when they voted as they did.

I haven't lost friends over Brexit but it has opened my eyes to their attitudes which until then had remained hidden.
We were out at lunch with long time friends (over 50 years) and as the waitress was leaving one of our friends said "another b****y foreigner!" I was shocked rigid and cannot think of him the same again. Brexit seems to have enabled people to make these remarks which i find extremely distasteful.
I also have a Scottish friend who has fallen out with her brother over Scottish Independence!

notanan2
I've bought property in 2 countries prior to them joining the eu.
Would you explain how the home office would stop me buying a property in say Montenegro?
Should I be worried? Nah.

I think friends who are the polar opposite from each other must either be able to distance all communication from politics, or there must be huge areas of life where judgement is influenced by your political beliefs and arguments will inevitably result. I can have friendships with people who have different political views from me, but I could not live with/love someone who had such different views about important issues.

Quite right, M0nica and others with sensible views.

The type of young people you mention sound like intolerant bigots. I would be upset if I thought I had brought up such a child.
Mine all think for themselves, have different political views but respect the fact that each of us is entitled to an opinion.

eazybee that's a good line in sensible debate - 'you really are a twerrp, Jura. I can't believe you wrote that.

DH and I have just spent a very pleasant few days with one of our oldest friends. She voted for Brexit. When her DH was alive politically they were somewhere to the right of Nigel Farage. We most emphatically are centre/left of centre.

Over 60 years, neither side has let this spoil our close friendship. We have all just accepted that our political views are very different and left it at that.

Leave voters on GN do accept that others are entitled to a different view varian it’s not them that are the problem!

Varian of course everyone is allowed an opinion and everyone has a right to express it.

That applies to those who voted leave also, which is often forgotten by many "remainers".

so - should be mountains not mount.

"Intolerance, nothing more, nothing less.
You really are a twerp, Jura."

Who's the intolerant one?

I'm waiting for the leave voters to accept that other people are entitled to hold a different opinion and indeed that everyone is entitled to change their mind.

lemongrove I have an European DIL and GC (currently studying in EU) it took minutes to fill in a form on the internet cost £50 sorted. They are now entitled to stay in U.K.

Mount out of molehills are being made!!!

'There is just no way back from it if someone in your extended family voted to have your family ripped apart.'

This is exactly the sort of comment that was bandied about , and still pertains in a few families, when the miners' strike 'split' families.
It only happens if certain people refuse to accept that other people are entitled to hold a different opinion.
Intolerance, nothing more, nothing less.
You really are a twerp, Jura.

GG the home office has moved those goal posts so what was possible pre Bexit wont be possible post Brexit.

I know someone who voted leave although her husband, children, all her family and closest friends were all remainers. She is not a racist (married to an immigrant), doesn't vote Tory and not stupid but repeats worn cliches about the "EU gravy train" which I think she has picked up from her Tory friends that she spends a lot of time playing bridge with. They are all readers of the Telegraph or the Daily Mail.

Her family tend to avoid the subject of brexit but it is an elephant in the room. They think if they don't antagonise her by disagreeing she may change her mind. I think she voted LibDem in the EU elections, so perhaps they are right and she has already changed her mind.

Nothing to say jura2 about those EU countries who will not give reassurances to the British people settled there?
How about some blame falling on them? We have given committments to their citizens here, after all, so it’s the least they can do in return.
I never totally believe all the rants on social media anyway, you shouldn’t either.

I have said this repeatedly and I am going to say it again. Members of my family lived in a country in Europe before it was in the EU, they worked, owned property, child went to school.

These things were possible pre the current make-up of the EU and will be afterwards if the UK ever leaves!

lemong : 'if they really are saying this and meaning it ( as opposed to boasts on social media) then what stupid crass people they are.
Leaving the EU is a political decision...'

your comment is very naïve. It depends very much on what is being said, re immigrants, for instance. Depends very much if it turn out not to be a 'political' decision, but one based on prejudice and unjustifiable opinions, and 'non-facts'. Imagine a family, well settled abroad, doing well, kids totally integrated, speaking 2 or more languages - and the parents opinion and vote puts the happiness and freedom of that family at risk of having it all taken away - why would being angry and very disappointed be 'crass'.

If parents can argue sensibly and reasonably, giving political based arguments- then I think most would be able to 'agree to disagree'. In many case- this is not the case - arguments given make no sense and said parent will not listen to any other side or even fact- and in many cases, the arguments have shown just blatant stereotypes and prejudice. Just depends on 'how'.

I'm wandering around agreeing with you today, gg.

Just agree to disagree, it makes no difference what anyone else thinks as, currently, we have no influence!

I have a very bolshie friend who has argued so badly with her stepdaughter that they no longer speak which puts her lovely husband in a dreadful position.

I just refuse to talk to her about it.

Ripped apart? We are still on the continent of Europe!
They can still fly to see us and we them.It’s beyond ridiculous.

There is just no way back from it if someone in your extended family voted to have your family ripped apart.

That wont be forgotten, how could it be?

I voted remain as did my DH and all the children, my sister voted leave as did my father in law. We still get along just as before. We’ve always had different opinions on things but agree to disagree.

This EU remain site for expats......if they really are saying this and meaning it ( as opposed to boasts on social media) then what stupid crass people they are.
Leaving the EU is a political decision.If they really think so little about good parents who have brought them up well and care about them, then if I were one of their parents, although I would be sad, ultimately I may think I was well rid of them.
It would help of course if all the EU countries came out and said what our government has said, giving a firm committment to EU citizens here that they are welcome to stay and have all their rights. You can only ask yourself why these countries have not done so already.

Here's a thought what about trying to get along with others whether they be friends or family immaterial of how they voted.

I have friends who voted leave, remain and some who are considering changing their votes if there were to be another referendum on our EU membership/withdrawal agreement.

Life is to short to have grudges or not speak to anyone because of where one has put an X on the ballot paper.