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Trapped in a sad marriage

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Camdengirl Tue 15-Oct-19 02:53:47

I'm new to posting & don't really know what I'm asking but I read all your replies to other posts & you are such a wise bunch so here goes....
I have had a very difficult marriage due to my hushands lack of affection & general disregard for my feelings.
I have just recently discovered (again!!!! It has happened many times in our relationship) that although he has no interest in any kind of intimacy with me, he is still interested in women.... I was devastated.... again!!!!! He is not having an affair.....
Why don't I just leave? .... I'm trapped.... A long, long story very short... I am full time carer for my 5 yo granddaughter & this is her home. I have no money so can't look to working something out as cash would be needed.
To top it all, I'm in love with someone else & he with me... we are ex work colleagues & have known each other many years but did not like each other so it has come as a shock to both of us. He is single, with no ties as such.
How can I be devastated at my husband's lack of care when I want to be with someone else.... It's easy, I've loved my husband, still do & tried very, very hard for nearly 30 years to make our marriage work.
So... to sum up... Broken hearted in my marriage, trapped due to little granddaughter (the love of my life btw), no money, want to be with someone else...
I know that some may not approve of my love for the other man but be kind, I have been sad & lonely for many years.....
Can anyone see a way forward out of this because I can't see the wood for the trees & feel desperate.....

Dawn22 Tue 15-Oct-19 12:32:16

Modern life demands that we think of ourselves first but there are higher virtues and callings and if you have the responsibility and care of your dear grandchild then that is l consider your duty Camdengirl. Nobody talks about 'sacrifice' anymore but that too is a huge element of an honourable life.

There are no guarantees of happiness with a new man. In fact damned if you do and damned if you don't. Many would wish to be in your position with the care and love of a precious grandchild. Enjoy and cherish that and have fun with it.

Better than any man.
Dawn.

Bbbface Tue 15-Oct-19 12:49:55

Totally baffled by this
You are in love with another man
Does it not occur to you that this might be impacting how you are around your husband and consequently effecting his approach to you?

It’s a circle with no hope for change unless you both commit to each other completely

Gingergirl Tue 15-Oct-19 12:52:47

Think hard about what you really want. Sometimes people really like to keep situations like this as they are...but are wrestling with their conscience, for example. Others really want to get out but can’t see through the practicalities....If you only want to be with the other man, could he help financially and would you be able to keep your granddaughter with you? Is that what you truly want? Would you most like it if the other relationship finished and you worked with a counsellor for example, to help make something of your marriage? I would go through all the options and make a decision...and if the decision is to leave things as they are, so be it. I’m saying that because I think it might be the case.....otherwise, no matter how hard it might be, I think you would have made some changes by now. Good luck for the future.

Jillybird Tue 15-Oct-19 12:53:14

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Pussycat2012 Tue 15-Oct-19 13:47:18

Firstly take a breath and ? smile. Then find out if ‘other man’ is prepared to take u and ur granddaughter on as one package after fully explaining the situation with your husband to him. If he agrees to take both you and your granddaughter in on return for your love then tell your husband of your plans and why. Under no circumstances disallow him visiting rights to your granddaughter. Keep things as friendly as possible. Hopefully this will work out for all concerned and you can all be happy. Best of luck.?

jaylucy Tue 15-Oct-19 15:33:30

I think you need to have a deep and meaningful talk with your other man to find out just exactly what he wants out of this relationship and more importantly, does he see a future with you AND your GD ?
I would guess that you have found that your husband is interested in women either by catching him looking at other women,him having a subscription to a top shelf mag or caught him watching porn. Whichever it is, it's really your pride that has been hurt and maybe he has allowed himself to be caught for some kind of reaction from you ?
Yes it is possible to love 2 men - 30 years with one man is a long time after all and I would guess what you feel for the other man is the whole butterflies in the tummy, feeling queezy etc
I really can't understand why, if you are so unhappy, why stay with your husband? As far as money goes, make an appointment with the CAB who will be able to advise what benefits you are entitled to and even if you have not had paid work for several years, you are still entitled to a share in the value of your house. Also get legal advice.

grandtanteJE65 Tue 15-Oct-19 15:51:57

You don't say how old you are, but a 30 year old marriage suggests around 50-55, so is there absolutely no possibility of you getting a job.

If you really want to a divorce, you need either an income or your pension to be able to leave.

Go along to citizens' advice and find out what you are entitled to in the way of help, then along to the job centre and talk to them.

Why are you looking after your granddaughter and do you mean you are bringing her up because her parents can't do so, or did you mean they are using you as her carer instead of sending her to nursey school?

A child doesn't necessarily have a good life if she is being looked after by adults who would rather not be together, however hard you try to shield her from that fact. It sounds to me as if your husband is not capable of expressing affection, so is your granddaughter receiving affection from him, or only from you?

You presumably stayed with your husband on account of your children, but really there is no reason why you should remain in an unsatisfactory marriage on account of a granddaughter. Obviously, if social services are involved you may not be able to keep the child if you leave your husband, so I can see your difficulty.

Would an honest talk with your husband do any good? Is there any chance of getting him to agree to marriage counselling ?

red1 Tue 15-Oct-19 16:09:24

i would say look at the future ,do you want what you have now got,or do you want to grab some happiness?
It would be a massive wrench but do the gains outway the losses?

Hetty58 Tue 15-Oct-19 16:24:37

I disagree with a lot of the comments above. You've tried really hard for 30 years (murder sentences are shorter) so it's high time for a change.

You are not trapped. You should not sacrifice your lifetime happiness for the sake of the stability of your grandchild's life. I see no point in trying to improve your present situation.

You don't necessarily need counselling or antidepressants. Why adapt yourself to cope with an inadequate existence?

We have but one life. Put your own needs first now. When we make a big change, it can be painful but things soon fall into place and we wish we'd done it sooner.

Be brave, just leave him and start a new life!

Camdengirl Tue 15-Oct-19 17:18:04

You have all been so great. I need to take action, is the thought that has really struck me. I'm so worn down with everything that I'm ashamed to say I'm only doing the bare minimum blush... My GD is with me because my daughter has a personality disorder & has been psychotic 5 times in 5 years (mainly due to drugs) including a spell in a psychiatric hospital. It has been a nightmare. I was going to leave 5 years ago then she got pregnant & the whole world went crazy. My GD is disabled so has just settled into school so things should be getting easier but my daughter is pregnant again & the whole sorry tale is starting again. I can't do it again. I'm 55 & I'm sure about the other man & really feel it's my last chance. I just need to be brave. Thank you all for listening.

sodapop Tue 15-Oct-19 17:55:06

That's such a sad story Camdengirl you must be so stressed and unhappy.
Your priority has to be your granddaughter but of course you know that. You need to talk to your husband and try to find a way forward which can help you both. Be careful that your attraction to the new man is not just a way of escaping your current problems.
If you do decide to leave the marriage then find a home for you and your granddaughter with no added responsibilities. I hope you find peace soon.

Anthea1948 Tue 15-Oct-19 18:16:59

If your husband has no interest in working on your marriage (I get the impression he isn't, but not sure) and you're unhappy then I would look at what other options you have. If your husband is happy to end the marriage then you could discuss how that could be arranged so you have some financial support.
There are options out there, as others have said and it's worth exploring what financial and housing options there are.
I hope that whatever happens you do find happiness with your GD. Good luck.

FC61 Tue 15-Oct-19 20:07:26

Is your new love prepared to take care of you and your grand daughter ? Would he put a roof over your head ? Presumably you have carers allowance or child benefit and with a part time job could contribute ? If the answer to these questions is yes why not divorce your husband and find joy with your new man. Teaching children how when you are miserable you stick it out regardless is not a good lesson.

katie1 Tue 15-Oct-19 20:13:53

I would say that if you truly feel love for your husband then talk to him, setting out your needs. If you truly feel love for him then try to concentrate on your granddaughter and a part time job to get you out of the house and to have another focus for a while. I wonder if he is involved with your granddaughter or if he feels left out? As for the other man, all I can say is the grass isn't greener, it is just different grass.

annep1 Tue 15-Oct-19 20:57:59

I can't really add to the good advice given just to urge you to do something. You deserve some happiness.

Lorelei Wed 16-Oct-19 02:06:29

@Camdengirl - I feel for you having to cope with so many stressful emotions, heavy responsibilities, difficult relationships and family problems. I find myself a bit curious and with a lot of questions, most of which I would hazard a guess that you have already asked yourself.

You say your marriage is difficult because your husband isn't affectionate or intimate, disregards your feelings and despite you trying over the years nothing much has changed. By this would I be right in thinking you have made attempts to talk to your husband, to convey your feelings, and maybe hit a brick wall? Do you have any idea as to whether your husband sees hope for the future of your marriage, whether he is content with the way things are or is as miserable as you? Would he want to work to improve things, change things or do you think he might be relieved, happy, agreeable to going your separate ways, even divorcing? If crunch came to crunch is there a hope in hell your husband would be prepared to leave the marital home to enable you and your granddaughter to remain there, to not unsettle a child that sounds as though she had a tough start in life.

You say your granddaughter lives with you full-time but don't say whether you own your home or are renting. If you own the property you should be entitled to half of it's value. If you rent this is obviously irrelevant but if you moved out you would need to be able to rent somewhere big enough for you and your granddaughter. If your husband left the marital home would you be OK living there so your granddaughter could stay in the only home she knows?

Does you granddaughter's disability require any special equipment, home accessories etc - if so is your current home suited to her needs? Would this need to be a consideration if you lived elsewhere, rented another property, moved in with your potential lover? Does your granddaughter have any contact with her mother, or father? Did your daughter's personality disorder, psychosis and/or drug use contribute to your granddaughter being disabled? Has she been disabled from birth or is it due to a later illness or injury? Are her needs likely to change or increase as she gets older? Could she improve, be independent later?

You say cash shortages impact any decisions you are thinking about making. Do you currently receive any state benefits? Are you entitled to any benefits? Do you get child Benefit for your granddaughter? If she is disabled you might be entitled to disability benefits, mobility allowances, carers allowances etc (not sure about PIP - someone on here might know more). Some benefits can be backdated - again we may have a Gransnetter with more detailed knowledge.

Is there no hope for your marriage? Do you and your husband communicate at all? He may be a bit selfish, thoughtless, inconsiderate, neglectful etc but is he ever abusive or is it just more of a stalemate situation? Does he help care for your granddaughter? Love her? Care about the impact a troubled marriage might have on her?

Have you had any in-depth conversations with your potential lover? Discussed possible future outcomes? Your happiness, mutual happiness, your granddaughter's happiness and future - along with any requirements, allowances, special needs she may have including schooling/education? Would he be willing AND able to accommodate you both? Financially support you both? How real, how strong are your feelings? Could any obstacles be overcome if you were willing and determined enough? Is it a case of rose-tinted glasses/the grass is greener on the other side?

You say that your "daughter is pregnant again & the whole sorry tale is starting again". Do we presume she will continue with the pregnancy? Will she want to keep this baby? Would the authorities allow her to keep a baby? Would you be expected to have custody of any other children your daughter has? Could you accommodate another child? When you say you "can't do it again" do you mean taking on another child? Potentially disabled child? Or the whole shebang of having to have contact with your daughter, social services, family court, solicitors etc - anything or anyone taking custody and responsibility for a child involves.

You deserve happiness. Can you believe you could carve out a new future for yourself? Trust yourself to love again, commit again? Can you see yourself 'starting over again'? Can you make time to go somewhere like Citizens Advice to talk things through and see where you stand? Do you get any private time/space at home (or even away from the home) so that you can seriously shut off from everything else and try to focus on what you want, how you could achieve this, what is realistic and practical and what is 'the dream'

I hope that you are able to answer some of these type of questions and formulate a plan for you future that works for you and can bring you some long-awaited happiness. Whatever choices you make I wish you luck. Gransnet is generally a supportive forum if you need us to discuss anything else, to update, to ask questions, to sound off or just get a little moral support. flowers flowers flowers

Mamma66 Wed 16-Oct-19 05:13:41

I really feel for your situation and to a degree can relate. For quite a long period of time it looked as though my husband and I could have ended up being full time carers for our lovely grandchildren now almost 8, 5 and 3. As much as we love them dearly we were totally torn and overwhelmed but couldn’t bear the idea of them being taken into Care and probably split up.

The most important advice I can give you is that you really need to take stock and fully consider all your options. Please don’t act in haste and make sure that you know exactly what the implications of your actions are. I think that possibly you feel a little conflicted, overwhelmed and not really sure what to do.

I think counselling will help. Taking advice from CAB and perhaps a solicitor will help too. I like to write things down and mull them over properly as it helps to sort out exactly how you feel. Only you know if your marriage is worth saving (and if it’s salvageable) but maybe you aren’t seeing anything clearly at the moment, counselling really should help you sort everything out.

You do have options. In reality you feel trapped and whilst I completely understand that, things may not be as bleak and unresolvable as you fear.

Talk to your GP who should be able to arrange for you to access free counselling (you’ll probably have to wait a while though). Don’t rush into anything until you have properly explored your options with the Counsellor but nor should you forgo your happiness and wellbeing.

Whatever you decide to do I wish you all the best. Good luck!

Camdengirl Wed 16-Oct-19 06:03:05

I'm overwhelmed by your responses... You are all so kind & I'm so glad that I posted. I really thought I would be getting out of my situation soon & I think my desperation has arisen from being plunged back in due to my daughter's pregnancy. I thought that over the next couple of years she might be well enough to take on the lions share of caring for her daughter but now that hope has been ripped apart over night.
I will keep updating if that's ok.
Thank you so much also to those of you who pm'd me... I'm so grateful.... I feel like I have found friends.
Dawn22... You have no idea how I battle with exactly what you have said.
Love to all, you have saved me over the last couple of days flowers

Hymnbook Wed 16-Oct-19 11:02:30

Be selfish think about yourself. Your granddaughter will grow up to lead her own life. Why can't you move in with the man you love and take your granddaughter with you.

whywhywhy Wed 16-Oct-19 11:30:32

Camdengirl I wish you well no matter what your decisions are. I could scream but I don't have anything as bad as you to deal with. Sending you love, hugs and strength while you make your own decision about your future. x

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