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Geriatric infidelity (problem page letter and response). What do we think?

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GagaJo Fri 27-Dec-19 18:06:06

Letter to agony aunt
The dilemma I’m 77 and have been married for 54 years. Seven years ago, I delivered the eulogy for a childhood friend. Afterwards the lady next to me held my hand and said, “Good job.” On impulse, I later found her phone number and called her. It was the start of a seven-year affair. She knew I was married. She was separated and later divorced her husband. I told her that divorcing my wife was out of the question. Also, I said eventually that someone would come along and steal her heart and that she would leave me.

Our relationship was wonderful. In time she mentioned that she would like more. Even asked what it would be like if we were together all the time. I brushed these questions off, usually. I thought it was an ideal situation for both of us. She had grandchildren to look after and her daughter was going through a difficult marriage. Our relationship was not going any further. She turned 72 and I knew she was concerned about getting older.

Well, it happened. Her only sibling passed away and a childhood friend – who she dated 50 years ago – came to the funeral. Afterwards she told me they were in love and that he was her soulmate. I bid her farewell and good luck. We have not communicated for four months. Do you think she’ll contact me?

Mariella replies
Well, this is unusual. First, it really is a whole new way of looking at what have been described – perhaps erroneously – as our twilight years. I used to regret the passage of time, as the births, engagement parties and wedding invites dried up and hospital visits and funerals laid a greater claim on my diary. Now I’m seeing the Eulogy Years in a whole new light. Who knew the whole funeral business was such a hotbed of recoupling? Perhaps since you now have a vacancy you should go to them more often, not just to say goodbye to old friends but also acquaintances, neighbours, even being a pew-filler at the ill-attended rites of strangers. Judging by your experience it sounds as though the heightened emotional atmosphere isn’t just energising the mourners to sing the hymns more fervently.

The late Jimmy Goldsmith famously said that marrying your mistress creates a vacancy, and there’s obviously an empty space that you remain eager to fill. That means it wasn’t just an accident of timing and chemistry that spurred you into the arms of the lady in question but, rather, an unspecified and still unfulfilled need.

I have to be true to form and sensible here. Why are you still with your wife? Do you see it as the decent, noble thing to do, despite your infidelity? Perhaps you’ve reached some sort of agreement that weighs the longevity of your union against indiscretions. You do sound like a casual Casanova, determining the boundaries of the relationship based on what suits you best. Is it possible that, even in your late 70s, you were just in it for the sex? If so, I don’t know whether to whoop for joy that the libido can “rage, rage against the dying of the light”, or curl up in exhaustion at the prospect of having to keep going for another two decades.

I suspect you’re not writing to me for my wise words on extra-marital relationships but because you think I’m psychic! Sorry to disappoint, but I have no idea what your ex-mistress is likely to do. Your three short paragraphs are not enough to give me a clear idea of how this total stranger is likely to respond now that she’s found a less furtive relationship.

What I can say is that you’ve had a pretty good innings. An enjoyable seven-year affair that’s left your wife none the wiser seems a pretty good result. You wouldn’t be human though if you didn’t want more. This inclination not to count our blessings but to want to increase them seems as natural as breathing to Homo sapiens. Having brushed off this woman’s attempts to make the liaison less ephemeral, you’ve now discovered what happens when that’s all you want. You won’t be the first man to learn to appreciate your lover once they’ve gone. Truly there really are only two courses of action. The first requires you to get in touch with this woman and admit that her absence has left you longing for contact. Though what you have to offer that she hasn’t now got is hard to surmise. The second is to thank your lucky stars for what you had and what you got away with and determine to inject a little of whatever it was that affair offered, even if it’s simply sex, into your marriage.

To be revealed as a philanderer at any age is no great compliment but for it to happen when you truly are old enough to know better is bordering on embarrassing. My guess is that you’re a decent man who’s stuck with his partner through life’s ups and downs and, ironically, those are the very qualities that make you attractive to others. For my money that’s a far better legacy than chasing around after a woman who clearly wants what you’ve already got.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/dec/22/my-lover-has-left-me-at-the-age-of-77-and-i-miss-her#comment-136859301

3nanny6 Thu 09-Jan-20 13:21:40

I felt sorry for the mans wife on reading this hope she is okay.
As far as older people having affairs go I never give it much thought but it happens.

My elderly uncle lost a wife to cancer and for several years lived alone. They did not have children. He retired and then met a woman at his social club, it was all friendship in beginning and she had been married three times previous.
My uncle was always thoughtful and very precise about his finances etc and asked myself and my cousin to look after things once he passed away. I forgot all about it as rather think of relatives when here rather than when dead and gone. This woman moved in with him and he told my mother they would never marry and they never did.

To get to the point they were together for some years and he died. I had always maintained regular contact with him and obviously still remembered about his wishes for things to be taken care of when he was gone. Two hours after his death in hospital I was called by the womans son from previous marriage to tell me he had found my uncles will and everything belonged to his mother, I was told that my side of the family would not be wanted to show up at the house for the funeral but the address for the funeral would be sent by card to me. Needless to say I went to the funeral and also my two brothers and nephew also my son and when her family saw us I knew they thought they were going to have a punch up on their hands but I had made it clear to my family at the end of the service for my uncle we would just leave as we had been there to pay our respects only and that's what we did.
My brother was angry as he knew my uncle and my brother said I should have been left quite a bit in the will and I got nothing. I did not care the only thing that hurt most was not being invited to my uncles house for his send off, that woman had been treated well in my family since she got with my uncle and that was how we were treated when he died. My point being that woman can be as cold and calculating as some men, it just takes all sorts.

Hetty58 Thu 09-Jan-20 12:49:32

Brilliant, Elegran!

Elegran Thu 09-Jan-20 12:32:11

I think he wants to have his cake and eat it, but doesn't want to sweep up the crumbs or wash the plate. He turned down the chance of unlimited cake for that reason, and is now feeling peckish again and wishes he hadn't.

Tough. The cake is now in some other man's cupboard, out of his reach. He'll have to either make do with the plain crackers in his own biscuit tin, or throw them out and go shopping from scratch.

I think he'll find that the shelves are empty except for the less attractive brands.

potter6 Thu 09-Jan-20 11:23:07

I think he regrets missing his chance.

agnurse Mon 30-Dec-19 02:46:58

Yuck. I feel sorry for the poor man's wife.

Unfortunately, we are actually seeing spikes in STIs among seniors. Yup, it happens! A possible reason is that they figure they're too old to really cause any serious harm (i.e. they're past childbearing years), so they figure they don't need any protection. I would urge the man to get himself tested for STIs. If his mistress was prepared to cheat WITH him, she may also have cheated ON him.

GagaJo Sat 28-Dec-19 22:58:33

WHY are you commenting then? Moving swiftly along! Jeez.

Sparkling Sat 28-Dec-19 22:55:14

I cannot see why anyone would put a long convulated post on like this. Was the guy bragging or complaining, who is bothered and why should it interest Garajo? There's more interesting things to ponder.

GagaJo Sat 28-Dec-19 20:31:28

Tedber, sorry! Not you. Directed at Phoenix' waspish comment.

Barmeyoldbat Sat 28-Dec-19 20:27:56

He just wanted a chance to brag and say look at me I still have it, or did. Maybe the wife was having more excitement with someone else and didn't care.

Tedber Sat 28-Dec-19 20:09:55

Oh gagajo. Just to clarify I wasn’t referring to YOUR post not being genuine. I just meant was it a genuine problem sent in?

Sorry if it looked like I was addressing that to you.

GagaJo Sat 28-Dec-19 19:31:12

Just thought it was a break from the usual 'politics, Christmas, ill health' posts Phoenix.

If you don't like a post, why comment? I read and then return to the menu. If I was rude about every post I thought was a waste of time, I'd be on here for hours.

Tedber Sat 28-Dec-19 19:13:53

LOL Galaxy and that is assuming the post is genuine? Am sure people just make things up when they are bored or even the mags themselves sometimes? Like editor saying "OK what we got on the problem front?" Well nothing new on last week so how about "blah blah blah" I am sure it goes on smile

phoenix Sat 28-Dec-19 19:13:45

On for heavens sake!

Are we really expected to show interest in this? A letter written to an agony aunt (of whom I have never heard, but seems from this to be quite an unpleasant person!) concerning the experiences of someone who has no connection with GN?

Sorry, not like me to be so waspish, GagaJo but I think there are other things that could be posted, that might result in more productive conversations.

Elegran Sat 28-Dec-19 19:11:01

Except himself.

Galaxy Sat 28-Dec-19 18:58:23

Or perhaps his wife could find excitement without him. His letter is utterly self obsessed and bursting with the urge to show off his exploits. I imagine he is utterly inadequate at providing anyone with excitement.

BBbevan Sat 28-Dec-19 18:01:53

He is a boring old f--t in my opinion

Hetty58 Sat 28-Dec-19 17:58:24

'old enough to know better' struck me as odd. Many men, of all ages, do this if they have a hope of getting away with it.

A seven-year affair is quite an accomplishment, longer than many marriages. Often, the wife knows all about it but sees no reason to give up on the security and companionship of an established marriage. She might even be relieved at not having to supply the sex!

Elegran Sat 28-Dec-19 17:46:16

She isn't exactly approving of the husband, though, if you read between the lines. She calls him a "casual Casanova" with a vacancy he seems "eager to fill," says he has had a "pretty good innings" and suggests that he " thank your lucky stars for what you had and what you got away with and determine to inject a little of whatever it was that affair offered, even if it’s simply sex, into your marriage." If he follows that advice his marriage (and wife) might gain a little of the excitement he sought and found with the mistress.

Galaxy Sat 28-Dec-19 17:21:28

That was my point elegran her response was ridiculous. She offered scant concern for the wife. I don't think she likes women very much.

Tedber Sat 28-Dec-19 17:10:27

I actually thought this was the OP dilemma! ?

Not sure what to say either. Not very original tbh. He Sounds like a lot of men who want their cake and eat it! ?. What does the age matter?

Good for the other woman finding someone else and giving him the big E.

vampirequeen Sat 28-Dec-19 11:27:42

I wonder if he'd had affairs in the past. He seemed to have a very cavalier, nay, narcissistic attitude. The only feelings he cared about were his own.

Elegran Sat 28-Dec-19 11:25:38

Chewbacca I think Gagajo was struck by the same contrast that we hve all seen, between the real problems faced by so many and the shallow nature of this one.

BlueBelle Sat 28-Dec-19 11:12:19

Just bragging ....couldn’t be bothered to read to the end to be honest

grannylyn65 Sat 28-Dec-19 11:10:13

Who cares?

Chewbacca Sat 28-Dec-19 11:00:25

There are so many people in this world with genuine hardships and problems, not of their own making, that it's extremely difficult to give this "man" a moment's thought as to how he can resolve a problem of his own making; or give it any headspace at all really. I'm a little confused as to why it even caught OP's attention and why it was ever thought worthy of a discussion. But each to their own......