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Livlass Tue 31-Dec-19 06:32:16

Awake all night absolutely fuming.My step daughter(59) chatting to me earlier had told me that since 1 Sep last year when she was made redundant,(she got a payout),she had been claiming Universal Credit,pays her London rent everything.Fine but she hadn’t disclosed to the DWP that her 26 yr old working son,he’s got a good job in the City was living with her. Also her Dad has given her a monthly allowance for years,.She also said for years she’d been claiming the single persons council tax. She runs a car,has good clothes,has her long blonde hair dyed regularly in London. When I said it was illegal she has this can’t care less attitude. You all might say well there’s hundreds doing this.But my own daughter a single Mum with two young children went through the benefit system was honest and still ended up in poverty. So I do have some knowledge. My husband,stepdaughters Dad,sat like a lemon and said nothing when she was telling me. He’s a retired police superintendent as well,which makes it worse. Did he already know what she’s doing? Nobody’s up yet but I don’t think I can face them without saying something. Sorry gransnetters just having a rant but to me it’s not right.

Phloembundle Tue 31-Dec-19 10:08:59

I would not tell. It has been my experience that whistleblowers come off worse than the offender. I do, however believe 100 per cent in karma. She will get her just desserts.

Glo33 Tue 31-Dec-19 10:11:14

This is fraud pure and simple, you are now morally obliged to report it arn’t you? I am sick of paying exorbitant amounts of tax so fraudsters can get their “long blond hair dyed” or what ever else they lavish their ill gotten gains on!

sweetcakes Tue 31-Dec-19 10:12:51

Why the hell is your husband still giving her an allowance?? She's 59 not a child how dare she steal money from the the government she is not entitled to ?

icanhandthemback Tue 31-Dec-19 10:13:00

I’d talk about it with your husband and see what he thinks before I did anything more but I would bide my time before deciding what to do. It is a criminal offence and it may be worth her Dad having a quiet word rather than you getting involved. He might well be as shocked as you but felt tackling it there and then wouldn’t be helpful.
Unfortunately, she is far from alone in thinking this acceptable. It doesn’t matter how much you’ve ‘paid in’ (and many haven’t), if you’re not entitled, you’re not entitled no matter how unfair it may seem.

whywhywhy Tue 31-Dec-19 10:13:47

Just say nothing, it's not worth the hassle.

Smileless2012 Tue 31-Dec-19 10:13:53

How terribly disappointing for you Livlass especially as your DD as a single mum, dependant on benefits ended up in poverty.

Your H is as much of a disgrace as his D. If it were me I would tell them both that if she doesn't stop taking money that she's not entitled too, you'll report her, and if she doesn't stop, I would.

There'a little enough for those who need it without those who don't 'playing the system'.

NemosMum Tue 31-Dec-19 10:15:04

I am also appalled by her behaviour, and I would be fuming too! You don't have to listen to it, and if she refers to (any of these fraudulent deceptions again) you can tell her so, but I don't think you should take it further than that. Why on Earth is her dad paying her an allowance? On a Superintendent's pension she will be raking in a fortune! How the hell does she get UC?

PJN1952 Tue 31-Dec-19 10:15:18

I know this seems a tough problem but if you saw a shoplifter in the act you would have no issue. You can report Benefit theft on the Government website. You need name, address and reasons why you are reporting it. I cannot stand Benefit fraud braggers who are taking the stretched system for a ride. I reported a friend of a friend who was bragging that he was lying for benefits. I gave my name on the website but no one contacted me and after a few months the man in question had a big life change as a result of his fraud. Result.

Aepgirl Tue 31-Dec-19 10:21:43

You can report fraud anonymously. Why should she get away with it when others who are honest,end up struggling?

I cannot believe your ex-policeman husband condones it.

NfkDumpling Tue 31-Dec-19 10:23:44

Doing nothing and turning a blind eye is why there’s so much Benefit fraud.

I’d wait a couple of months and then dob her in. You can always say it must have been the neighbours noticing she wasn’t working.

okimherenow Tue 31-Dec-19 10:24:50

Someone hopes boris will sort it out..
Boris who is biggest fraud amongst us
Making money on shorting on the £.
Giving girlfriend access to £100sthousands tax payers money..
Some people are greedy
Some are genuine
Boris and your step daughter are the same but not the same scale..
I'd say don't get involved.. Could cause you enormous heart ache

antheacarol55 Tue 31-Dec-19 10:24:53

She is taking food out of children’s mouths and many others that are in need .i would leave it for a couple of months then I would have to report her .
She does not deserve the help she is taking .
She is a greedy person

MissAdventure Tue 31-Dec-19 10:25:54

Disgraceful.
Her and him.

sandelf Tue 31-Dec-19 10:26:15

Not a word to anyone except DWP. Wait until normal life has resumed and use this www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud Do not let your misplaced loyalty protect a fraudster.

EllanVannin Tue 31-Dec-19 10:31:24

Sickening, isn't it ?

No wonder the genuine claimants can't get help because of the thousands already doled out to the fraudsters. Some people have to jump through hoops to try and get help.

Nannan2 Tue 31-Dec-19 10:35:58

Confront both your husband and stepdaughter! Tell them how you feel.tell her to report her change of circumstances.then at least your conscience is clear

jaylucy Tue 31-Dec-19 10:40:26

As someone that is currently in the benefit system after being made redundant, your stepdaughters attitude stinks!
I get just enough to cover rent and council tax and that's it. Nothing for food etc. My son is expected to contribute to the rent , even though they have no idea if he can afford to - if he was on minimum wage, he wouldn't!
Not sure if I'd dob her in or not tbh, her attitude means that she is not likely to change anything herself. It may bounce back on your husband as he is aiding and abetting. You need to speak to him and maybe decide what to do.
As someone else suggested perhaps wait a couple of months and do it (you will still get the flack) or speak to step daughter and tell her you will.
It's because of people like her that the draconian system currently in place was brought in!

wildswan16 Tue 31-Dec-19 10:44:51

I'm afraid I would just have to let people know. There are countless families struggling, and the few people with no morals who defraud the system are stealing from everyone of us.

If this woman is stealing from us - how long are we supposed to let her continue? Theft is a crime, whether through the benefit system or shoplifting or burglary. It is not a victimless crime as so many seem to think.

makemineajammiedodger Tue 31-Dec-19 10:48:19

Let her know you disapprove. Insist your husband speak to her. Then back off - or you will cause the biggest family rift you've ver experienced.

Nannan2 Tue 31-Dec-19 10:48:41

Yes as others have said,why does her dad give her an allowance?shes nearly a pensioner age herself not a child! Ask her dad a few questions,like why he gives her cash,yet still lets her cheat system? Then ask HIM what hes going to do about it?if he says nothing,ask why not?if nothing changes in a couple of months,then tell DWP anonymously.

CleoPanda Tue 31-Dec-19 10:50:44

I cannot believe how many responders are making light of this. This is fraud. She is obtaining money under false pretences from the government and therefore stealing from tax payers. It’s not fiddling the system or being sneaky and it’s not less wrong than tax evasion. It’s blatant theft. She is taking money fraudulent. How can that be right on any level? To make matters worse, she appears to think it’s OK to admit to it, doesn’t fear any consequences and has no intention of stopping.
Please ignore all the ridiculous advice about it being OK not to say something. Can you imagine the state the country would be in if we all condoned such crimes?
As others have said, the seriousness of these offences is reflected in the punishments - hefty fines, prison sentences, media reports, damage to family reputations. Talk to her dad, explain what may happen, ask him to persuade her to confess to the DWP. She could tell them she has realised her errors and wants to put things right. Does he really want his families reputation smeared across the papers - they love this kind of story. “Former police head’s daughter happily swindled the government with his approval”
She is treading on very dangerous ground but seems to not care?
PS. I was a fraud officer earlier in my career and I’ve seen the book thrown.

kwest Tue 31-Dec-19 10:51:09

So sorry to hear that you are in this predicament.
These situations can never end well.
You have started positively by writing it all down.
In the cold light of day you might like to review what you have written.
What is the worst that can happen? Will your relationship with your husband survive the upheaval this will cause?
If the shoe was on the other foot and your husband was threatening to take action against one of your children , how would that feel.?
The fact is you cannot un-know something once you have been 'enlightened'. It is a matter of what you do with that knowledge.
Your husband may be afraid of his daughter, which might explain the continued allowance and his turning a blind eye to her fraud and theft.
Perhaps a one to one conversation between you and her.
i.e. " Your conversation last night showed you up to be a thief, a liar and a fraud". "your showing off about it in my house has made us potential accomplices".
"You are no longer welcome under this roof until you can prove that you have changed your ways.
If you want to see your father then it will have to be away from here. I am disappointed and ashamed of you. It is neither clever or funny to lie and steal."
This is called 'Tough Love',

Shazmo24 Tue 31-Dec-19 10:51:16

You can let the DWP know anonymously as its people like her who play the system that makes me cross as it takes away from those who really do need it...tell your husband and tell him that he has to talk to her that what shes doing is fraudulent and as such she will be made to repay back what shes taken & even jailed...

Tigertooth Tue 31-Dec-19 10:53:05

The long blonde hair comment makes you sound a bit jealous tbh.
It’s disgraceful that your DH is ex senior police and he condones this fraud by his silence.
Tell them both that it’s fraud and you’d rather not be burdened with the knowledge.

starbird Tue 31-Dec-19 10:55:47

I would ask her dad what he thinks about it - say something to him like ‘ I was shocked that ...’. See how he reacts. If you tell on her you will probably lose her and possibly your husband too, on the other hand he may be plotting to report her anonymously. He really is in a spot.

Where is integrity? - imagine the tens of thousands in the country that do the same - I am a pensioner who has worked since 18 and still work part time to get by, while others live off the tax that me and other hard working people pay. I would let her and your husband know that you don’t approve, maybe even give her the cold shoulder, but I would not presume to tell you to report her - it could have huge repercussions for your family. Having said that, you could give her a deadline, of say March ( when council tax is renewed) to stop claiming - but I would talk to your husband first. It would make all the difference if he is on your side, if not you have to face the fact that it could break up your marriage.