Other kind of racism

It isn't just foreigners who experience prejudice. I'm now living in the North of England where the local people have very distinctive accents and mannerisms. I was brought up in the Midlands and have a 'posh' voice. As soon as I speak, I'm labelled a snob.
Basically, humans have the same instincts as other animals and dislike anyone who is different.

I too have been on the receiving end twice I have been verbally attacked because I have a tremor on the train. At work I have been called a fucking white bitch. You don't say where the abuse is happening but I have worked outter and inner London and there is certainly more tension and stress inner London.
Having written this there isn't an excuse for anyone to be rude/racist to another human being. But alot of workers who work with the public have recieved abuse or far worse. Be proud of who you are and remember their mouth isn't always engaging with their brain when they say the things they do. Although their comments stick with You, stand tall, as it really is their problem and breathe.

On a lighter note I heard a story about two Asian women chatting away in their own language at Cardiff station. An older man turned on them and demanded that as they were in England they should speak that language - another travellers intervened and pointed out that in fact this was Wales and they were speaking in Welsh.

You get ignorant racists everywhere.

Ignorant people are just so boring. We live in a beautiful diverse world, it's not possible to know or see everything in it. It doesn't matter where people live, the happiness matters. Ignorant people are never happy. So just be happy and sod them.

Valerie How on earth would you know if, or how many times, a person has been told to "go back to their own country"?

It makes me so cross that people who have never experienced racism can blithely question whether it actually happens - and then suggest those who claim it are just, as the unpleasant saying goes, "playing the race card".

I recall quite clearly going to a hospital dance with my husband (he is of Asian origin but a British citizen) when a group of louts surrounded us and told him to "get back to your own country and stop taking our jobs". My husband was in those days a learning disabilities nurse - a job that the British government advertised across the then colonies because very few British people actually came forward to do it. We put on a brave face and answered them back - but it was frightening. Some people face these sorts of sentiments on a regular basis, maybe more subtly stated but nevertheless racist.

(I have mentioned this incident before on another thread relating to racism and the only comment that one poster could make was that I was being insulting calling these brave men who surrounded one man and his wife "louts". Not a word about the intimidation and insults that we had been subjected to.)

That would be me then SD ,Talking about white settlers aka ex pats who move here and expect the rules to change to the ones in the area they left.they want a big house for the cost oftheir London flat and they put no trespass signs up in our country that doesn't have trespass laws ..we have the right to roam .They complain about cockerels crowing and peoples accents being unintelligible .
I stand by those remarks...on the other hand there are thousands who come because they love Scotland and they want to be part of the communities and integrate well.My SIL for instance is a fervent Scot as are many of my English friends .I'm not anti English just anti rude ,arrogant ,entitled folk who think we should change our ways to suit theirs.There are many who feel the same on the costas where locals are often spoken to like idiots or slaves in loud voices and always in English .

Put the soapbox away paddyanne!!
Not your thread.
Time and place and all that.

paddyanne has as much right to post her views as anyone.

And, thinking about it, racism can take many forms including moving to another country and treating the local disrespectfully. Or is that a sort of modern-day colonialism?

Could that extend to telling someone to shut up when trying to explain how it makes them feel?

Brexit definitely fuelled the ignorant racists to feel entitled to tell anyone remotely different to go home. Like the elderly man who shouted very loudly at an Asian shop worker “ I voted to get rid of people like you”. Makes you proud to be British eh?

Judging a whole nation for a percentage of bigots is wrong. It is not representative of how most people think. I suffered as a young girl in my first job by a group of women who when they found out where I lived made my life a misery, they probably felt it was such a victory when I left as I could deal with it as a young girl, just out if school, they were ignorant bullies.I never came across it again, moved on to a much better job which I loved. So be what you are and be proud.

eloethan it is the sort of racism that you described happened to your husband is experienced every day by folk.

It can never be right.

I think the answer is education. It should start at nursery and be part of the curriculum throughout the child’s education and indeed into adulthood.

If everyone went back to where they came from there wouldn't be many left in this fair country. Do the ignorant mouthpieces telling folk to "go back" know where THEY came from and what right THEY have to be here?

This is all of our responsibility. It doesn't mater what percentage of society is bigoted, if you aren't calling it out you are part of the problem. Not getting involved is like standing and watching someone drown. People die for what we allow to continue.

The best reaction to thoughtless, 'casual' racist remarks - is to look totally puzzled, then walk away. That way, the person will notice the reaction and (hopefully) wonder why.

Then there is inaction, which almost equals acceptance. For instance, are we happy with the UK choosing profit over human rights?

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How about the taxi driver in the papers today who was racially abused? He kept his dignity and showed the offender up for the abuser he was - now in police custody.

About fifteen years ago my dear friend lived in Tottenham and she is such a friendly open person. She said when she got on the bus each day to travel home she would have to deal with racist comments from the black passengers. They would spit at her and call her white fat trash. I suppose this was before the mobile phone craze of filming and putting on social media. It shows that there are some pretty nasty people around wherever, whoever you are. She lived in an area with high ethnic and minority groups resenting white people living there. I hate racism, sexism and constant battles from the media trying to make us hate others by only projecting on the nasty side of life and there are places where people do appreciate different cultures and races which enrich our lives but not very newsworthy. I will say in advance before some posters come back to criticise my comment I worked for many years with people from different races who said they experienced different attitudes good and bad. I just hope this BLM improve the lives of everyone.

DH is a retired teacher, we moved to Wales 31 years ago, some teachers at the secondary school he taught at really disliked the English, the librarian in particular used to switch to Welsh whenever he appeared.

Saying that you do come across some unfriendly welsh speakers even now, but on the whole they are the warmest people I’ve ever met......as long as you don’t mention rugby

Valérie f , i have reported it once and got the police round to the offenders house
Police couldn’t do much , they say it’s on the increase since brexit
But police or not , the main point here is that it is gratuitous nastiness and it hurts

The comments on here serve to illustrate that the problem of racism is rather complex. The general interpretation is whites being prejudiced against non-whites, but it is more widespread than that. There is just as much prejudice against white people, but it doesn't attract the same publicity.

In a country where the majority of the population is of one race, it's all too easy for someone of a different race to claim they have been discriminated against because of their colour; but there may be a totally different reason why that person wasn't chosen for a job,or whatever. Lack of education, poor manners, bad language, there may be any number of reasons.

Why do you think a black person might have a poorer education in this country - social inequality.

It's a complicated problem. It's something we can never consider is overcome. Educating and in many cases trying to combat the racism children learn at home is vital. I hate it when I see the racists organising rallies in my town, but thankfully it is usually young people who stand up and challenge them. I still feel I should apologise to all the people from all over the world who are the targets of this bigotry and bias.

My last post wasn’t meant for this thread but for yet another Brit bashing post which, I suppose, is another form of racism.

Eloethan I completely understand your post it is so so bad when people downgrade racism with the dilution of ah well it happens everywhere Well it shouldn’t bloody happen anywhere
My daughter in law was showing her friends (not family friends) some pictures of a ‘do’ she and my son (mixed race) had been too One of these friends who obviously didn’t know our family said pointing to my son who was standing behind or along side my daughter in law in various poses in some of the pictures and said ‘that waiter’s hanging around you a lot hahaha’
Well it wasn’t hahaha

I didn’t mention your name Paddyanne but if the cap fits, wear it.

Your words ‘white settlers’ ‘expats’ - no doubt you only use those divisive terms for English people who don’t share your political POV. No wonder Scotland has a problem with racism, as evidenced on this thread, and today by Humza Yousaf. www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-52915980/humza-yousaf-no-way-scotland-is-free-from-racism