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GagaJo Tue 09-Jun-20 12:15:03

I'm struggling with this.

I have a multi ethnic family. My friends ALL know my family. Consequently, I have perhaps naively assumed my friends were all non-racist.

The current Black Lives Matter protests have shown me my ignorance. I've had a lot on and hadn't posted anything in my social media about BLM. 2 or 3 friends have clearly taken this to mean I must be anti BLM and have either posted stuff online and tagged me in it or sent stuff to me via email/private messages.

I don't really know what to do. Some of these people I have known for over 20 years and have been very close to.

I've messaged them and expressed my shock but don't know what to do now. Do I wipe out people I used to regard as close friends? In the past, I've entered into dialogue about racism/politics and am happy to debate. BUT out and out racism is never acceptable.

Help?

MissAdventure Wed 10-Jun-20 17:59:02

I'm sure I have read somewhere that neck pressure is going to be outlawed.

That's all I can remember, though.

It's a well known fact that applying pressure can be lethal very quickly.

lemongrove Wed 10-Jun-20 17:53:34

dragonfly46

You are splitting hairs Lemongrove our friends may well be xenophobic but trust me they are racist!

I simply made a comment on the information you had provided dragon
You knew they were xenophobic and racist......nobody else on here did.

JenniferEccles Wed 10-Jun-20 17:47:24

I did wonder if neck restraint is a recognised way of dealing with aggressive, violent criminals.

Obviously in this case it went badly wrong but police everywhere have to have an effective way of restraining suspects.

I understand the three other officers had only been in the job a week or so, so they weren’t experienced enough to know that too much force was being used.

MissAdventure Wed 10-Jun-20 17:25:36

Awful, isn't it?

oldgimmer1 Wed 10-Jun-20 17:20:39

misadventure having watched the video of Floyd's death , it certainly looks as though pressure to the neck continued to be applied after Floyd became unconscious.

Lizbethann55 Wed 10-Jun-20 17:18:56

Gagajo just wondering if you are actually an American gransnetter? Also black NHS staff are more likely to contract and die of Corona than white NHS staff. But that didn't seem to bother those protesting that Black lives matter at the weekend.

tickingbird Wed 10-Jun-20 17:14:11

Far North I never mentioned slogans. I stated a fact.

MissAdventure Wed 10-Jun-20 17:03:21

I'm not sure if someone unconscious needs restraint.

oldgimmer1 Wed 10-Jun-20 17:01:51

Two thirds of people put into neck restraints in Minnesota in 2020 were black.

One third was not.

Common technique for restraint, by all accounts.

MissAdventure Wed 10-Jun-20 17:00:11

I think the unspoken part is the most important.
I'm not sure BLM gets the message across as it's meant to be taken.

Bluecat Wed 10-Jun-20 16:43:51

The unspoken part of Black Lives Matter is "although they are treated as worthless" or "even though society thinks they don't."

All lives matter but white lives aren't threatened by racism. No-one's going to kneel on your neck.

MissTree Wed 10-Jun-20 16:22:54

P.S. If so many of us get confused over Black Lives Matter is it a good slogan ?

MissTree Wed 10-Jun-20 16:19:47

I’m struggling too Gagajo.

I don’t even know what the definition of a racist is . Because of this I am reading Blindspot by M Banarji and I am slowly getting it . I would recommend this book and the tests which throw some light on this.

I don’t think giving up friends whose ideas differ from yours is productive unless they are abusive . But then they wouldn’t be your friends, would they ?

I’ve had very little personal experience of racism so I think reading threads like this one does help understanding. Thank you for starting it.

SueDonim Wed 10-Jun-20 16:09:56

I am in despair at the number of people here on GN who keep spouting the ‘all lives matter’ mantra! ??

Bluecat Wed 10-Jun-20 15:53:12

MissAdventure, I always used to describe my children as mixed race and none of us felt bad about it. I think it has gone out of fashion now. I know some people say "dual heritage", which I think is quite nice and tend to use in writing. I just feel a bit pretentious when saying it.

Regarding the OP's dilemma, I think it is hard to feel the same about people when you know they are racist. It just changes the way you feel about them. It also means that you are on edge in case they say something offensive, and you're willing them not to. Either you compromise your principles or you have a big row. Not good, either way.

It's more complicated when it is people you love. My grandmother was a sweet old lady but an outright racist. My sister and I used to have fierce arguments with her, which achieved nothing but hurt all round. She was born in the Victorian age and nothing would change her attitude. I loved her but I hated her prejudice. My mum's sister, my beloved aunt, was also very prejudiced. I loved her too and couldn't understand how such a kind person was such a bigot. We thought that she would react very badly to the news that my boyfriend was Indian. We braced ourselves for arguments but she adored him!

She rationalised these conflicting opinions by saying he was "a cut about the average." The truth was that he was the only non-white person she really got to know.

Confronting racism is very stressful. Some people are in your life for good and all you can do is debate with them. Some you can live without - in that case, ditch them. Do you really want to be mates with someone who believes that some people are inferior by birth?

GagaJo Wed 10-Jun-20 15:51:34

Exactly Peardrop50.

Black Lives Matter is seeking equality. People of other colours are welcome if they are seeking equality for all.

Peardrop50 Wed 10-Jun-20 15:50:12

Tedd1, I too have grandchildren who are a different colour to me and to my other grandchildren, my depth of love for all of them is the same but they are all living very different lives because of their colour. I have posted on other threads that my beautiful Asian daughter in law, and her daughter, my granddaughter suffer from hateful racial abuse to such an extent that my lovely, gentle, intelligent and thoughtful granddaughter came close to suicide after being pushed to the ground, having dirt rubbed in her face while being told to go back to where she came from. Heart breaking.

dragonfly46 Wed 10-Jun-20 15:48:02

You are splitting hairs Lemongrove our friends may well be xenophobic but trust me they are racist!

Peardrop50 Wed 10-Jun-20 15:43:42

Please please don't keep repeating this 'all lives matter' statement. Of course all lives matter but in our society, tragically black lives matter less, this is what must change so that all lives matter equally.

Tedd1 Wed 10-Jun-20 15:40:32

Sorry, Earnshaw, didn't read your post properly

Tedd1 Wed 10-Jun-20 15:39:14

I have two beautiful grandchildren but who are not the same colour as me and I don't see it as a big deal. I do, however, have an issue with the slogan BLM as I think it's emphasising discrimination. In my opinion, the slogan should be ALM, All Lives Matter!

oldgimmer1 Wed 10-Jun-20 15:35:46

Unfortunately though people can make assumptions as they like.

You can't police people's thoughts.

earnshaw Wed 10-Jun-20 15:32:01

the slogan,,, black lives matter, really worries me,,, surely it should be ,,,, all lives matter

Magrithea Wed 10-Jun-20 15:31:19

Educate them!

Mollygo Wed 10-Jun-20 15:19:17

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