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Cuckooz Thu 23-Jul-20 14:52:15

This is my first post, so please be kind ?
Here goes....I’ve been married to my husband for nearly 30 years. I’m 63 now and he’s 73. He’s always disliked young children but accepted my two from my first marriage (they were 10 and 13 at the time). Life wasn’t easy and we had our fare share of problems, especially with my children. He was really horrible to them and when I think about it now my heart breaks. There were plenty of times when I thought I should leave him but back then, I loved him so I stayed, putting him first and my children second. Big mistake. I won’t go into that now though.

My two children are now happily married adults and I am the very proud granny of 4 beautiful grandchildren.

My husband still dislikes small children and when one of my AC visits with their 2DC my husband gets a mood on as soon as he knows they are coming. They do not visit often - maybe once or twice a year - and only for about 3 or 4 nights at a time, never longer. Whilst they are here he’ll go out all day and will only get back late and then he stays in our bedroom. He may say hello to my AC but he totally ignores the children. It’s always very strained when they are here. I will never have a family gathering because both my AC know what my husband is like and they don’t want to put their children through what they went through. They only visit because of me. I tend to visit them more and stay for a week or so here and there. We all live over a hundred miles from each other.

For a number of years my husband and I haven’t done things together like holidays or outings. There’s no romance in our lives and we’ve been celibate for about 20 years. We don’t have family gatherings (he doesn’t have any family) and we don’t have friends. We basically just live together and plod on.

There’s an impending visit on the horizon so today, I asked my husband to cut the metal rods that are poking through the wooden sleepers in our garden. They were used to stabilise sleepers into the ground. They are dangerous, poking up about 6 or 8 inches here and there, but we know where they are so are careful when we’re out in the garden. My grandchildren won’t know where they are. He said why should he pander to the children. If they get hurt it’s their fault. I then asked him how he would feel if one of the children fell and the rod went through their eye and would he like something like that on his conscience. He replied that he doesn’t care about the little f...er and if that happens the kid deserves it.

I couldn’t believe what I heard, my heart broke. I told him he was evil and that I went through loads of troubles with him with my children and put him first and I’m not going through it all again with my grandchildren.

I asked him to pack his bags and leave. I don’t want him here. How on earth do you make someone leave though? He’s still here. I’ve asked him twice to go. The house and car are in my name. We have a joint bank account. I said he can take the car and he can have the money but he must just go. He’s still here.

Could you forgive someone like my husband? I have an awful feeling in the pit of my stomach when I think of what he said. I have so many regrets. I should have left him years ago. I don’t love him. I don’t hate him. I just don’t want him here.

What would you do?

lindyloo1958 Fri 24-Jul-20 10:57:35

My goodness, I got to the ‘little f****r part and had to reply. What a vile horrible man. Why on earth are you staying with him? He is a lowlife and anyone who could treat innocent little people the way he does deserves to live a lonely old age. Get out now and move nearer your family. Make the most of the years you have left and don’t waste them on that b^**^*d. Good luck. Xxx

jennilin Fri 24-Jul-20 10:57:30

You will spend the rest of your life miserable and unhappy , no one deserves that.. Help him find a flat to rent even offer SOME ! support if he moves out for good x

BusterTank Fri 24-Jul-20 10:54:17

I know exactly how you feel and living with the guilt is terrible . You need to see a solicitor and get a them to write a letter for eviction . If then he doesn't move out the solicitor can escalate it further . Good luck you deserve to be happy .

Kidzkan Fri 24-Jul-20 10:50:28

It's easy for others to judge you for putting your husband before the children without knowing the facts. If he has been manipulative, and controlling, he will have eroded your self-esteem to the point where you hardly know what you believe anymore. Be kind to yourself, forgive yourself. It sounds like your children are sympathetic, which is a plus.

Another plus is that you own the house, you are really in a good position. If you see a solicitor and start divorce proceedings, the money will get sorted out and if he won't go, you can take him to court and get an injunction. None of this is pleasant, but it sounds like the spikes in the garden were the last straw, giving you the strength to see it through.

Lesley60 Fri 24-Jul-20 10:49:12

I would advise you to put behind you what has happened in the past, forgive yourself it sounds as though your daughter has otherwise she wouldn’t be traveling to see you.
I know through personal experience that if you are married and changed the locks you would have to give him a key.
Is he putting money into your joint account or is it just yours if he hasn’t then I would transfer it all into an account in your name.
Life is to short to be so unhappy, I’m 62 and left my first husband after 20 years, it was only after talking to a solicitor I realised the emotional pain and abuse he had inflicted on me.
I left a beautiful home And moved into a bedsit until I had a settlement.
I’m not saying you should move out but at least see a solicitor you maybe surprised of your rights like I was.
I have now been happily married to my second husband for over 20 years so it just goes to show you can start over again and make a new life for yourself and it will be easier when you only have yourself to think about.
Good luck I’m thinking of you please let us know how it goes we are all here to offer support and hugs when you need them??

Bluegrass Fri 24-Jul-20 10:48:11

No, you cannot forgive him. This is definitely the last straw. See a recommended family lawyer and be brave. Your children dearly love you, this is obvious and you will have their support. Be brave and look forward to a new life, one of freedom - to make new friends, be with your family as much as you wish to and live in a peaceful, loving home. Good luck.

Tennisnan Fri 24-Jul-20 10:47:11

Youve finally reached your tipping point. You deserve to be happy for your remaining life. I can see no positives to staying together. Initiate divorce proceedings now.

Dealite Fri 24-Jul-20 10:46:24

Nannan2

I respect your views but I think your post is exceptionally harsh! It’s obvious you may have been lucky with your choices of life partner and haven’t experienced mental cruelty and insidious controlling behaviour? As women we generally do the very best for our children but mental abuse and controlling behaviour can be very subtle, wear you down and over time to protect children and themselves women adapt and change without even realising it’s happening! Bear in mind this man came into the lives of two children knowing his thoughts and feelings on children, isn’t that insidious, underhand and no doubt started his controlling behaviour. Let’s remember also men like that target vulnerable women! Until you walk in someone’s shoes perhaps it’s better to try and look at the whole picture rather than berate someone because they don’t measure up to your morals and beliefs. Aside of all that happened in the past it’s obvious the adult children love their mother and want a relationship with her and for her to have a relationship with the grandchildren. It costs nothing to be kind and especially toward women who are facing huge troubles in their lives..... just saying.

Athenia Fri 24-Jul-20 10:46:23

Dear friend, From your description it is highly likely that your husband has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, NPD. All the professional advice is to leave as soon as you can make the necessary arrangements and cut him out of your life completely.
Please look up psychotherapist Kim Saeed's website and sign up for her free informative emails.
They will help you to understand how he thinks and why it is necessary to leave.
At present he is using you for his own ends.
I speak from bitter experience, as I divorced my ex after 28 years, but went on to endure another 20 years of six monthly depression episodes every year.
Kim likens the after effects of leaving a narcissist to PTSD, post traumatic stress disorder.
I decided to consult her when I realised that my daughter takes after her father. She has recently ceased contact with me and to my great distress, prevented me from seeing my only grandchild. Kim advised me to see a trauma specialist, such is the effect of a relationship with someone with NPD.
As you have found, your husband will never change, not ever.
His hatred for children undoubtedly stems from his own traumatised childhood.
I wishyou well in your recovery and new life.
I now have a life I could only have dreamed of, and have been depression free for 19 months now.
Best wishes for the future.

Gwenisgreat1 Fri 24-Jul-20 10:45:40

You definitely need to persevere - I'd be tempted when your AC are with you, to change all the locks, and pack all his stuff into the car! Tempted but probably illegal

bongobil Fri 24-Jul-20 10:38:58

I think you can usually get half an hour free with some solicitors google the ones in your area, not sure if they are doing face to face appointments at the moment but as others have said you do need legal advice~(he knows that and thinks you wont get any!). Good luck hope all works out for you and you are young enough to start a new better life without him.

Sheila11 Fri 24-Jul-20 10:36:39

Get out of there now. If you are in a relationship or a friendship where there is bad feeling it’s not worth remaining.
If it does not lift your spirits it’s not worth giving it time and energy. He is a heartless brute and has made you u happy for years, but the worst part is that he’s made you miss out on such wonderful times with your children that you can never get back. Don’t allow him to do the same for you with your grandchildren.
Time to put YOU first!

Reubenblue Fri 24-Jul-20 10:33:18

You poor lady, it never ceases to amaze me how we soldier on in such difficult situations and yet we do. I feel you’ve made a brave decision and take all the advice you can and end this destructive relationship.

I too spent thirty years of my life feeling demoralised and now I’m so happy with a wonderful loving husband. Your children love you or they really would never visit! Ask for their help and check your rights and plough on, the little light at the end of the tunnel will grow eventually I promise.

Every one here will support you, well done you the first step has been taken.

Donatia Fri 24-Jul-20 10:33:11

He sounds hateful, is it not possible for you to visit your family. Good luck, and please don't stay with him, get advice. I hope you can move on and be happy.

MarieEliza Fri 24-Jul-20 10:33:01

Only one thing I would add to this good advice . If it were me I would ask My grown up son to stay in the house for a while at this testing time . It would give me moral support and would make me feel less vulnerable while I went to the solicitor and bank.

granbabies123 Fri 24-Jul-20 10:23:46

I agree with all posters and just want to add my best wishes to you and remind you to go outside and put a bucket over those metal bars.

Cossy Fri 24-Jul-20 10:20:32

Sadly your other half will have an entitlement on your home, up to 50%. Go and see a solicitor ASAP, you have no legal right to force him to leave, however what you have described is a form of domestic abuse, although you may not recognise it. All of us have made mistakes, don’t beat yourself up, but you can have a happy future at the end of all this. Do open your own bank account, it’s very simple especially if you do it online, then move 50% of your cash into your bank. Are you financially independent ? Just stick to your guns,& perhaps move yourself into the spare room. Wishing you the very best of luck xx

razzmatazz Fri 24-Jul-20 10:16:16

What a horrible, horrible man . I hope you don't do anything for him , like cooking . Just keep saying you want him out . Be as horrible to him as he is to you and your family . Close the joint account immediately. Give him a cheque for half. Tell him you want a divorce. Stand up to this vile man.

jaylucy Fri 24-Jul-20 10:13:57

I'm so sad for you and wonder what it was about him that made you fall in love with him in the first place?
It's a fact that some people just don't like young children - usually because they have had little contact with them so really don't know what to do but in this case, it's way beyond that.
Please see or get legal advice first of all and then open your own bank account , take out your share and direct debits etc and put them in that account.
As far as your house is concerned, it may be in your name but if your husband has contributed in any way such as by paying bills etc he may be entitled to a share but any solicitor will be able to advise.

jocork Fri 24-Jul-20 10:12:22

You've received good advice here from many posters. Get the legal advice you need asap but make sure you set up a separate bank account first as you'll need access to those funds to pay a solicitor. If the funds are small maybe start with the Citizens Advice Bureau. That was my first port of call when I wanted a divorce, followed by a free half hour with a solicitor.
My ex was much more reasonable than yours seems to be but he very soon emptied our joint account! Athough I had my own bank account, I'd been a 'stay at home mum' for many years, and by then was only working part time in a low paid job, so there wasn't much coming in and I was totally dependent on him. I dread to think what would have happened if he'd been completely unreasonable as yours sounds.
Also after many years of marriage it is easy to feel unable to cope alone. Your confidence has taken a knock, as mine had, but I soon realised I was strong and my ability to cope soon came back. I wished I'd made him leave at the start, but I'd agreed to him remaining in the spare bedroom due to my fear of coping alone with the children, so the divorce took much longer. Thankfully I got there in the end and he is now someone else's problem!
Good luck!

Phloembundle Fri 24-Jul-20 10:10:35

It's one thing to not be keen on children, but to wish them harm is unforgivable. What on happened to him to make him so spiteful? Don't make the same mistake with your grandchildren as you did with your children.

Angeleyes58xx Fri 24-Jul-20 10:09:40

Insist on him leaving you, get a solicitors letter saying the marriage is over, I was married for 38 years, I left my husband and went to women’s aid for help as there was abuse.
It was hard for me as I left everything behind and went in just the clothes I wore that day, when I got a flat I didn’t even have a teaspoon to my name, but it’s made me stronger, now years later , I’m in a new relationship, I’m 62 and very happy.i hope you can find the nerve to get him out, start your life again, it can end up being the happiest you have ever been.
It’s not easy, but nothing ever is, but it’s worth it.
Just make sure you get him out the house, not you leaving the house, that will be easier for you, take care, if you need to talk, don’t hesitate to email me.love n hugs jay ❤️??xx

Cp43 Fri 24-Jul-20 10:08:50

He sounds evil.
See a solicitor kick him out.

Thecatshatontgemat Fri 24-Jul-20 10:08:16

As you went into this with your eyes wide open, knowing he did not like kids, you can't really be surprised when he behaves the way he does. What else was he to do? At least he was open about how he felt, and probably did the best he could in the circumstances. Staying away from them was better for all.

But we never choose who we fall in love with, and now it's over. So : get shot of him ASAP.
Get legal advice immediately, and look FORWARD not back, to a future that YOU want.

Coolgran65 Fri 24-Jul-20 10:06:41

I agree with quizqueen.
absolutely get at least half of the joint account money out and into your own account. We don’t know how much you will have but you need some money behind you for the unexpected.

You may have to live in the same house while proceedings get going. I’ve known people do this and get through it.

I’d go visit the AC so you can relax. But just maybe once you tell them what you are doing they and you might find if they visit you it would be ok. They would no longer have to be polite to him. You would no longer be anxious about his behaviour it wouldn’t matter any more.