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Do you expect to be paid for doing someone a favor?

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4thtwin Wed 26-Apr-23 13:26:47

30 some odd years ago I dated a girl when I finished college. We dated a few years then broke up and remained the best of friends. She went on to have several kids by several different guys and is now in a relationship with a woman for the past 10 or more years. They are engaged. I may see her a couple of times a year. Back story: Her first daughter's dad was shot and killed when she was around 2 maybe 3 so this little girl never really knew her dad. Given me and her mom were still really good friends I helped her raise the little girl and she grew up calling me daddy. She now has a few kids of her own and they call be granddaddy. Again, I may see my friend a few times a year when it comes to special events for the grandbabies.

Some 20 years ago I met my wife. Ever since then my wife seems to think I should have no other friends other than her. My wife has zero friends. She has no one she calls to hang out with, go to lunch with, go shopping with. Nobody! Her sister lives a few miles from us and they've not spoken to each other since well before Thanksgiving of 2022. I literally am my wife's only friend.

This past Sunday my oldest granddaughter had a confirmation at her church so my daughter, as I so call her, invited us to come share in the event. Of course my friend was there and we hugged as usual and exchanged pleasantries as well as a few laughs. She even hugged my wife and they were nice to each other, as they always are. She then, in the presence of my wife, told me she had gotten a new car and the oil life was reading zero and she asked if I could come change her oil for her. I have some mechanical abilities so changing the oil is one step above putting gas in a car. I would call myself a jack of all trades. I've put ceiling fans up in people's houses, worked on plumbing, helped people repair their cars, and even built things for people. Yes, I love working with wood. I took that after my dad. I told my friend sure and I said I'd do it the next day after I got off work.

Of course before we left the church parking lot my wife asked me was I going to buy the girl's oil for her too and I flat out told her no. She told me she already had the oil and filter and just needed me to change it. Later that night before we went to bed my wife turns to me and asks if she was going to pay me for doing it. I turned to my wife and probably put my foot in my mouth when I said this but I told her, "You don't pay me to change your oil so why should I expect payment from one of my best friends?" My wife immediately assumed one of two things. (1) I was downgrading her status to the level of my friend or (2) I was upgrading my friend's status to the level of my wife.

Monday comes and I go right after work to change my friend's oil. When I get there we shoot the bull for a little while catching up and things. Again, this is someone I've known for some 30 years or so. I change her oil after we finished talking then I go back in the house and again we talked for another half hour or so. My wife assumed I should have just gone there, changed the oil, then left. I had told her that changing the oil is really only a 30 minute job so that's the time she allotted for me to be gone. And again, my wife is of the impression that my friend only lives one or two streets over. Not sure where she got this from. If she lived that close to us I'd see her more then a few times a year. She lives 10 miles away and with late afternoon traffic I can't just get there in a matter of a few minutes.

When I got back in my truck I had missed a call from my mom. She wanted me to swing by and get a letter she got from her insurance company. She recently totaled her car so I've been dealing with that with her insurance company since she doesn't know how. I text my wife that I was going to stop by my parent's house for a few. Again, my wife assumed I would just walk in, grab the letter, then walk right back out since I had already been gone from the house a couple of hours. Again, when I get to my parent's house we talk for a little while too.

By the time I got home around 9 my wife was fuming. I left home around 6. She said I left her stranded and if something were to happen she couldn't do anything. Here's the thing. My wife's car is in the shop right now so she is without wheels and she hates it. If someone would have called her with an emergency, then she wouldn't have been able to help them in anyway. Remember, my wife has no friends and doesn't communicate with her family so now, all of a sudden, someone is going to call on her to come help them? But on the contrary, she can take a half a day off work to go get her hair done and stay gone for hours and if I don't call to check up on her she gets mad. You taking half a day off work means I'm still working so no, I'm not concerned you're taking several hours getting your hair done. I've still got a job to do. "A good husband would want to know where his wife is." Ok, you've told me so why do I need to just randomly call you to make sure you're okay or still at the beauty salon? Just like you knew where I was but because I didn't just rush right home then I'm looked at as being up to something. In her book, this was a girl I have slept with before so I could possibly sleep with again, but haven't in some 30 years or so since we broke up. And someone who now is happily involved with a woman, her fiance.

She then went off about me not getting paid for changing her oil, or did she pay me in some other way, wink, wink! I don't do things like this for payment. Friends just do thing for each other. If I needed something done that only she could do yes I'd ask and maybe I'd offer to pay but I'm sure my friend would have just done it out of the kindness of her heart and plus the fact that we have been friends for some 30 years.

It's not like I've got a sign in our front yard saying "Free Oil Changes" or that I'm doing constant favors for friends every week. If I start charging people for everything how long do you think I'm going to keep friends? And the minute I start charging her mom for stuff it's gonna be a problem. I've put up multiple ceiling fans for her parents. Done plumbing work as well and not once did I ever expect to get paid.

Do you expect to be paid for everything you do for a friend?

Foxygloves Wed 26-Apr-23 13:50:18

You seem very critical of your wife 4thtwin. First it was her reluctance to cook a while back and your criticism when she did have a go. At the time many seemed to think you were behaving unreasonably.
Now according to you she has no friends, her car is laid up yet you are doing an oil change for an old flame. You say your wife would not be able to help if called out in an emergency. Does this happen often? Is it likely?
If so perhaps you should be spending more time on your wife’s car or supporting her. Perhaps she does feel neglected.
This has nothing to do with being paid or not for doing a favour but sounds like yet another instance of criticising your wife to strangers and there is a word for that, gaslighting.

Foxygloves Wed 26-Apr-23 14:03:32

You have also criticised her a few months back for not listening in church, checking her FB while driving at 75 mph and not being able to organise a family meal out.
I think she has more to complain about than the fact that you have done somebody a favour, and as for the old flame’s daughter calling you “Daddy” - words fail me.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 26-Apr-23 14:07:21

Again??? What do you hope to achieve by moaning to us about your wife? Lord knows how long it took you to compose that lot.

Smileless2012 Wed 26-Apr-23 14:13:37

I never expect to be paid for doing something for a friend 4thtwin. If I'd had to buy something in order to help, I'd want reimbursing but that's all.

Norah Wed 26-Apr-23 14:15:13

No, I don't expect pay for doing for others. I give time freely to others.

However, this problem seems more than pay.

HousePlantQueen Wed 26-Apr-23 14:38:30

This isn't about being paid to do little jobs for friends, is it? You posted on here looking for support, looking for everyone to tell you what a great guy you are and how unreasonable your wife is. To be honest, I don't know why you are married to each other, nothing either of you does suits the other or, heaven forbid, makes the other one happy. Why are you even together?

MerylStreep Wed 26-Apr-23 14:55:58

4thtwin
You obviously take us for fools. Believe me, we’re not, unlike you.
You have to have a good memory to be a good lier: you have neither 😡

HeavenLeigh Wed 26-Apr-23 15:05:22

In not going to run your wife down, I remember the other posts from you and I’m no fool.

Hithere Wed 26-Apr-23 15:22:02

"I would call myself a jack of all trades."

Except your marriage is in shambles and your wife deserves better

4thtwin Wed 26-Apr-23 15:24:57

Foxygloves

You seem very critical of your wife 4thtwin. First it was her reluctance to cook a while back and your criticism when she did have a go. At the time many seemed to think you were behaving unreasonably.
Now according to you she has no friends, her car is laid up yet you are doing an oil change for an old flame. You say your wife would not be able to help if called out in an emergency. Does this happen often? Is it likely?
If so perhaps you should be spending more time on your wife’s car or supporting her. Perhaps she does feel neglected.
This has nothing to do with being paid or not for doing a favour but sounds like yet another instance of criticising your wife to strangers and there is a word for that, gaslighting.

You're right, I can be critical of my wife but maybe I expect more from her as my wife. Yes, with the cooking we made a deal years ago that we would alternate cooking nights so neither of us are responsible for cooking every night. That went along fine until she decided she no longer wants to cook or when she does she rushes through it to get back to scrolling through everyone's Facebook timeline. My wife will be driving and have her phone open on her lap as to not miss anyone's status update.

How would you like it if you came home from dinner knowing it was your wife's turn to cook and all she felt like fixing were 2 or 3 boiled eggs? She made tuna fish and put too much mayo in it. Or she did pork chops and burnt them because she was too busy looking at Facebook. I don't think you'd just sit and be the happy husband glad you got to eat something. Now it's gotten to the point where when it's her night we usually go to McDomald's, Wendys, KFC, Hardee's simply because she doesnt' want to cook or just forgot to take anything out of the freezer. We're of a certain age and it gets harder to lose weight once you start packing it on. And I do not want burgers and fries multiple times a week. I'm not asking her to cook beef wellington or poached lobster.

And to answer your question, no, no one has ever called my wife in an emergency that needed her to drop everything and go running. And I can't fix everything. The issues with her car are more than I can do. I just don't see why she cares that I do a favor for a friend and don't expect to get paid for it. I'm not doing multiple favors for this person a year or that often. Again, we only see each other a couple of times and that's simply because of the grandkids. I didn't use any of my wife's tools, which she has none, nor did I take her car. Everything I used was mine but she feels I should be getting paid for stuff like this.

How does me doing a favor for one of my friends affect her in any way?

Callistemon21 Wed 26-Apr-23 15:26:26

When I saw the thread I thought
"Not another one"

Best wishes
#BrendafromBristol

Callistemon21 Wed 26-Apr-23 15:27:13

Actually, best wishes to your long-suffering better half.
🙂

MerylStreep Wed 26-Apr-23 15:34:41

Callistemon
Do you think there is a better half.
One clue about liars is, they always give too much detail.
These posts by this fantastic are classic examples.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 26-Apr-23 15:34:55

Why are you posting multiple times here about your wife’s perceived shortcomings? You know we’re not going to agree with you. What’s the point? Why do you keep doing it?

4thtwin Wed 26-Apr-23 15:34:58

And that's the thing. I did nothing but offer my time. I used tools I already had. She bought the oil and filter and all I did was put it in for her.

4thtwin Wed 26-Apr-23 15:41:31

I may not be in what all of you would call a happy marriage but I signed up for better or for worst. That doesn't mean I'm not supposed to complain or seek advice, does it? People are too quick to just divorce because someone didn't fold the towels the way momma use to do. Or because someone doesn't want to live a vegan lifestyle now that you are one. We all have problems in our lives. These just happen to be mine. No, I'm not asking her to be June Cleaver or Mrs. Cunningham but don't make life difficult for others when there's really no reason to. If I complained about how she's always going to her friend's house because she just had another breakup and wanted to vent to my wife I'd be wrong. I can't dictate to her how she should treat or what she should do with her friends. Especially friends she had long before me.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 26-Apr-23 15:44:41

I thought she didn’t have any friends?

HousePlantQueen Wed 26-Apr-23 15:48:04

Give it a rest my friend, you are not going to get the sympathy you obviously came on here for.

MerylStreep Wed 26-Apr-23 16:01:09

Germanshepherdsmum

I thought she didn’t have any friends?

They’re imaginary 😂

Cherrytree59 Wed 26-Apr-23 16:18:50

One line answer to what should have been a one line post.

Do you expect to be paid for doing someone a favour?

Short answer no.
That is why its called a favour.

BlueBelle Wed 26-Apr-23 16:22:21

The story s achanging
Get a divorce if it’s a real story you’ll be a lot happier with ‘Miss many children’ who all call you daddy and granddaddy
I m sure you’d be happier ‘ shooting the bull’ with her than having boiled eggs with your wife

VioletSky Wed 26-Apr-23 16:24:57

I think people have misread the friend comment

However, I'm worried about your wife's mental health OP and I think maybe you should be too.

You imply she once did have friends so something changed

Get her some real support and make sure you aren't contributing to her illness

Blondiescot Wed 26-Apr-23 16:31:19

If you expect to be paid for doing something, it's hardly a favour, is it?

pascal30 Wed 26-Apr-23 16:32:27

It all sounds very fishy to me.. with way toomuch mayonaise