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Polar22 Thu 12-Oct-23 17:11:12

Hi Been a while since I've posted but feel the need to share. I've known my friend for 20 years. She's very independent, good fun and although we've lost touch a few times have always reconnected. This time we stayed in touch and have been on hol together and had lots of chats, coffees, lunches etc. We've been constantly in touch now for about 6 years.
However, this year I've noticed her distancing herself. I had no idea why so after a few messages asking to meet up, but being batted off, I stopped asking. I still kept in touch but was confused and a bit hurt. Time has rolled on and I've seen her only maybe twice this year.
Today however she contacted me to say it was a lovely morning. I agreed. She then proceeded to list all the things she'd been doing, with who and where. I admit I was hurt so I asked - gently - why I'd been sidelined? What had I done?
I got a long message back saying she was 'freaked out' because I was 'copying her'. I had short hair (have had for years). I had the same hairdresser (have had for 3 years - shes great). I asked her to go to London to see a show (she only did that with another friend so was upset I'd asked). I did a DNA test (I did but only because after she told me about it I was curious to do my own as I have a half sister somewhere and thought I might find something). Oh and it was patronising when I liked the same music as her. She said she 'could go on'! I was gobsmacked. She's not perfect but I let her little glitches go as we are/were close friends. Nobody is perfect. I'm furious tbf. How dare she! I've told her we can't be friends anymore as I'd be double checking myself all the time to see if I'm 'copying' her.
Would welcome any thoughts. It feels very weird right now to think someone thinks that about me. We're not 6 anymore!!

Allsorts Mon 16-Oct-23 22:11:54

I would just let her get on with it. She’s not a friend.

Nannarose Sun 15-Oct-23 19:47:07

I understand, Gundy, what you are saying, and don't disagree. But my suggestion was simply about informing them, and only if OP, with her long understanding, would think it helpful.
I think your take is quite straightforward, and basically sensible. Mine was considering the possibility of early dementia.

Gundy Sun 15-Oct-23 19:37:11

nannarose - I would not advise involving a friend’s family nor other acquaintances in finding out if “friend” is upset - or to your thinking - is she becoming ill.

That is such a circuitous route that only exposes OP as being too timid to deal face-to-face with a perceived loss of friendship.

She should just call the “missing-in-action” friend and say “Hey, I get the feeling you are upset with me. I haven’t heard from you. Was it about our last phone call? Talk to me about it… I’d like to know if it was something I said or did.” THAT would be the best way to get an honest reading of what “friend” is feeling.

The problem with that approach is - too many people don’t ever want to do that. 🙁Instead of trying to repair - even giving it a chance to right itself - they lose their friendship. But don’t drag in their family!

At our age we can’t afford to lose friends!
USA Gundy

fluttERBY123 Sun 15-Oct-23 19:20:22

I have had that, somebody copying me, various things, and believe me it is extremely annoying. I think maybe your friend was very irritated and so distanced herself for a while as she said. She got back in touch oncee she had calmed down and has tried to repair the friendship. Might be worth a punt to reciprocate.

Hetty58 Sun 15-Oct-23 17:19:12

This reminds me of a woman I know who's become paranoid and suspicious of her friends and family. She's cut off 'negative' people and you can't have a serious conversation, although she still has her sense of fun. She now sees the world as dangerous and unpredictable but manages her little life very well.

I don't go to her house now, only her garden - as she's accused others of stealing things, but later found them again. I don't want to risk falling under suspicion, so I go on walks with her and she's welcome in my house.

I believe it's the start of dementia but she won't see a doctor. She hasn't been to her GP or dentist for years. I tried to raise concerns with her daughter but was told 'She's fine, she's just old.' Well yes, physically she's very fit, but mentally? I can't do much so I'll just keep a weather eye on her.

kircubbin2000 Sun 15-Oct-23 16:58:00

Another dumped me because of a joke made after a few drinks.
We used to see her and her husband and visit very regularly.
We went to a great party with a fab dj and the music and dancing made the night.
On the way home she moaned about the noise and drink and I made some remark about not all being old miseries or old before our time. They never spoke to us again.

kircubbin2000 Sun 15-Oct-23 16:50:29

One friend fell out with me but it was her husbands fault. He always gave us a lift to a class the 3 of us were taking and one night when she was at home sick he made a bit of a pass at me on the way home. The idiot must have gone straight home and told her for the next morning she phoned to tell me they wouldn't be going back and she never spoke to me again.

DeeJaysMum Sun 15-Oct-23 16:08:36

This is probably going to be very outing, but right now, I'm beyond caring.
My best friend of 18/19 years moved across the country this summer, after having never set foot in my home, but always expecting me to visit her when she wanted me to.
I'd helped with hospital appointments and even some of her sorting out of stuff for this house move, but now she's actually moved, she's gone really quiet and cold, having simply sent a message a couple of weeks after her move date saying "I've now moved".
I've reached out to her several times in the few months since she went, but it's taken her at least a week to send a one line response each time, despite us having been the type of friends who messaged each other numerous times every day until her move was getting close.
We'd planned to retire to the coast together for years, right up to a few months ago.
I even messaged to ask after her health last week and told her I'd had an emergency hospital admission with major surgery the previous week, only to receive a response today saying "sorry to hear you've been poorly".
Poorly??? I'd have died if I hadn't got to the hospital when I did. It feels as though she no longer has any use for me as I'm now a few hours drive away, I obviously can't/won't drop everything to drive her to a hospital appointment 30miles from her home anymore, so I suspect she's now trying to find herself some new patsy, and I'm probably better off out of her life, but it definitely hurts being dropped like this.

Jaxie Sun 15-Oct-23 12:32:28

I have three friends who copy me. On holiday in China I
pointed out a picture I was going to buy. It was a one off. My friend lunged forward and bought it before I could. On holiday with another friend I pointed out a necklace I was going to buy. She bought the same one and put it on immediately so I couldn’t wear mine, it would have looked daft. Another friend copied my kitchen décor completely, to exactly the same tea towels, hand towels, blinds etc but none of them ever complimented me on my taste. I should feel flattered, but I don’t.

Nannarose Sun 15-Oct-23 08:38:45

Polar22, that is interesting.
If you are worried about her (and it sounds as if you might be) and you know any of her family or other close friends, then I think you might contact them to say matter-of-factly, without detail, something like:
I seem to have upset Friend, and we're no longer in contact.
That's her choice, and we can leave it that way, but some of the things she said made me wonder about about her health and how she is doing, so I wanted to let you know.

I really wouldn't do that if you think they might over-react to either her or you, or if you don't know them well enough; but if they are sensible, they may be worried about her, and it may be helpful. Otherwise, as others have said, you sadly have to let it go.

JPB123 Sat 14-Oct-23 21:54:44

She sounds like hard work.We don’t need friends like that, she
has acted appallingly. Make a new friend.x

Sleepygran Sat 14-Oct-23 21:12:13

Inishowen,
Covid has made a lot of people very wary of going out.
She maybe thought she was ok or would be when you arranged it and then panicked closer to the date.
Tbh, maybe you should ask if she has this issue since covid.

Mojack26 Sat 14-Oct-23 20:41:01

I think you are well shot of her! Her loss. Very petty and childish

Polar22 Sat 14-Oct-23 17:10:43

Nannarose

There is a lot of wisdom above, which I hope you find helpful.
I'll add something else - when something 'odd' like this happens, out of the blue, I always wonder about early dementia.
You may not think of this as helpful, as there isn't anything you can do about it. Also, very early dementia only shows in slightly odd things - it wouldn't easily be picked up.
You may think this ridiculous, in which case, ignore!

Now I have wondered about that Nannarose. A couple of times in the previous year she totally denied we’d ever been to place A or B. Absolutely refused to believe we’d done it although we very definitely had! Her mum suffered with Alzheimer’s before she died. At the beginning of this year when we were still in regular contact she made some very weird decisions about her life. I don’t know. Maybe I’m looking for explanations where there aren’t any - any rational ones anyway.

Thanks so much for all the comments. It’s nice to read others thoughts and experiences. I agree that with good friendships you do often share likes and dislikes. We’d have 4/5 hour conversations sharing thoughts, feelings, what we’d done or not done. It’s normal that in those shared moments I’d think ‘oh that’s a nice idea I might try that’. It’d be one thought in a hundred maybe but over the years I guess they add up??
I think - as someone said above - it’s the length of time she’s had these thoughts and said nothing. It feels dishonest. Even if we reestablished a friendship I couldn’t trust her anymore. I’d be checking myself constantly. It’s sad but life does change and relationships change with them. I don’t have many friends but I certainly don’t need bad ones. Thanks again all. Have a good weekend.

Quokka Sat 14-Oct-23 16:17:51

Dump her.

OldHag Sat 14-Oct-23 16:15:33

Surely doing and liking similar things is a sign of having things in common?? It sounds like maybe as others have said, she is resenting you being a bit more assertive. Shame a long term friendship like this has come to an end, but it would seem you're better off without her if she can be nasty like that.

Bella23 Sat 14-Oct-23 16:00:27

Polar22

Bella23

You haven't moved have you?
I've found since I moved I have lost a lot of friends. It's as if I should have stayed and weathered the storm of getting older together.
I now concentrate on the ones who have kept the distance friendships up and forget the rest but it is upsetting. I often wonder what I did wrong.
Just make sure you don't make your hair appointment for the same day.flowers

I did think that 😂. Thanks that made me laugh. X

Glad someone has the same sense of humour Polar22 it has gotten me into trouble quite a few times. Especially with the "friends", I left behind. Another friend who stuck with me when I moved said "Why stay in the "Elephants Grave yard?" In front of another, we both got into trouble for laughing. I was glad of her humour it is an awful feeling when you are cut for no reason.You need someone to point the way forward.

pascal30 Sat 14-Oct-23 15:37:26

She's being daft.. of course real friends share helpful hints and tastes about good hairdressers, shows, music etc.. that's what we're here for to help each other, it's not a competition ..
that's more like playground friendships.. although I think that nowdays young people seem more emotionally literate

Nannarose Sat 14-Oct-23 14:47:40

There is a lot of wisdom above, which I hope you find helpful.
I'll add something else - when something 'odd' like this happens, out of the blue, I always wonder about early dementia.
You may not think of this as helpful, as there isn't anything you can do about it. Also, very early dementia only shows in slightly odd things - it wouldn't easily be picked up.
You may think this ridiculous, in which case, ignore!

BazingaGranny Sat 14-Oct-23 14:43:42

inishowen

I had a close friend for 35 years. When covid hit she understandably didn't want to meet up but we texted daily. Since then she has batted away every invitation to meet up. We got as far as arranging to meet for lunch but she cancelled saying she was unwell. I dont understand what I've done. It hurts a lot to be honest.

You may find it’s nothing to do with you, and that she is just still very nervous of going out, or travelling more than a mile or two from her home. My husband is MUCH warier than I am of Covid, and won’t go on, for example, public transport. We did however go to the cinema yesterday, although we were virtually the only ones there!

undines Sat 14-Oct-23 14:42:22

I would also say that 'imitation is the sincerest form of flattery' and she should be complimented! I would never take umbrage at being copied unless it was extreme - good friends tend to like the same thing anyway!

undines Sat 14-Oct-23 14:39:18

Like several of you I am deciding not to take 'sh**' any more and am distancing from some friends. The trouble is, if you have taken sh** in the past too many of your friendships will have that as a basis. I am now very firm - it's got to work for me and fulfil a need of mine. One issue has been that my 'need' in the past has been to get feelgood factor by helping others, with the subtext that I trusted they would be there for me. Serves me right that hasn't really happened. I do firmly believe you can find new friends, though, however old you are. I am a pagan, and there are certain people in my spiritual community that I haven't had time for in the past. Now I am choosing to be with them and finding them very welcoming. They do not need help or support, they are just pleasant. I would say Polar that whatever happens you are better off without someone so ...well, silly. Look to your interests and people within your community that seem okay but to whom maybe you did not initially gravitate. There you may find some treasures.

madeleine45 Sat 14-Oct-23 14:08:48

the only comment I would make is , perhaps when you get over the immediate hurt of her behaviour and actions, you can look back at the friendship and be able to still think of better times in the past and not let the ending make you feel that the whole friendship was not real. So there is some grief I think when you have had a long friendship, but if you rather mentally think of her as "dead to you" but you can look back at some good things that you shared in the past and then perhaps look at something that you did not share an interest in , or maybe never followed it but and could join a group with that interest so that there is no reminder of the previous friend. Wish you all the best, but remember whatever she thinks you were a good friend to her for a long time and whatever she thinks now you were a true friend. Give yourself a pat on the back and walk a different road!!

LovesBach Sat 14-Oct-23 14:04:02

The phrase 'Times change, people move on' sums it up for me. We change subtly as time goes by and it is like a refining process. People, places, activities that I once found exciting and new are not so now. The few true friends that I made years ago have stayed the course and tolerated my peculiar foibles, as I have tolerated theirs, and without having to make an unpleasant issue. Your 'friend' has been hurtful in her remarks, as most of the things seem so trivial as to be silly; she might as well accuse you of copying her because you are breathing. I would keep reminding myself that 'Other people's opinion of me is none of my business' and, thus liberated, move on.

TheKevin20 Sat 14-Oct-23 13:02:29

I'm sorry that you've been hurt by this woman. As time and circumstances change and move on, so do our friends and aqaintances. This person sounds as if she has. Don't worry any more about it. It's certainly disappointing, but I'm sure that you can find other people whose company you can enjoy.