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Petition: Give legal right of contact between grandchildren and grandparents

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PunkWomble Mon 01-Apr-24 12:17:56

It's not widely known that grandchildren and grandparents have no automatic legal right of contact. I run the Worcestershire Grandparents' Support Group, one of about 14 such groups throughout the UK, for non-contact grandparents. We currently have a petition on the Petition Parliament website with the aim of getting enough signatures to obtain a parliamentary debate: -

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/655143

This is a huge issue affecting around 2 million grandparents in the UK but nobody ever thinks it could happen to them. People tend not to talk about it for fear of a negative response. Please sign and share as widely as possible. Many thanks.

Smileless2012 Thu 04-Apr-24 08:44:22

So any desperate GP who may sign this petition must be a narc, a control freak with a bullying nature!!! Thank goodness there have been in the main, sensible responses on this thread.

That's standard procedure for closed sites DL. Not all require a 'forum name', some do allow you to use another if you feel safer doing so on the site, but your initial application must be in your actual name to try and avoid anyone who isn't genuine.

DiamondLily Thu 04-Apr-24 07:06:01

VioletSky

rafichagran

To be fair I would not like to tell posters what other forums I am on, or things that could be outing.
VS I think it would have been better not to have mentioned you are on a closed forum especially as you have to give your real name on these sites.

Yes, it was a mistake

I don't mention there that I am here... I like gransnet and the slow pace... Wouldn't want it busy like other forums with even more arguing

I joined one closed site, for widows/widowers, after I lost DH, where I had to prove who I was and that I was widowed. I fully got it, as those sort of sites can attract scammers/predators. All good, although the site wasn’t for me anyway.

But, even on that site, they said that you must use a “forum name” when posting, so no one could easily be identified anyway, unless they took part in the real life meet-ups.

Being eligible to join a bereavement site can be easily proved, but I can’t imagine what you’d have to supply to join many other sort of sites.🤔

DiamondLily Thu 04-Apr-24 06:58:38

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VioletSky Thu 04-Apr-24 00:22:35

rafichagran

To be fair I would not like to tell posters what other forums I am on, or things that could be outing.
VS I think it would have been better not to have mentioned you are on a closed forum especially as you have to give your real name on these sites.

Yes, it was a mistake

I don't mention there that I am here... I like gransnet and the slow pace... Wouldn't want it busy like other forums with even more arguing

rafichagran Thu 04-Apr-24 00:18:09

To be fair I would not like to tell posters what other forums I am on, or things that could be outing.
VS I think it would have been better not to have mentioned you are on a closed forum especially as you have to give your real name on these sites.

SingcoTime Thu 04-Apr-24 00:16:28

Germanshepherdsmum

So you trust people on these other fora and give them your real name but don’t trust people on GN? Nice.

Why should she trust anyone on Gransnet with anything identifying? Tell me what makes Gransnet so safe?

SingcoTime Thu 04-Apr-24 00:11:40

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VioletSky Thu 04-Apr-24 00:06:14

Absolutely no one is using their real name here, it is an open forum

The other forum is closed and you have to give your real name to join

Callistemon21 Wed 03-Apr-24 22:51:39

TinSoldier

Callistemon The OP did get rather upset on the other thread she started with a link to the petition.

She did. It was an unprovoked and abusive outburst at the logically-argued opposition she had seen here - a huge red flag suggesting to me that whoever has estranged her might have done so with good reason. I wonder if she has been banned?

She hadn’t made any attempt to participate in the discussion which is odd considering she said she wants Parliament to debate the topic (again - see my post upthread). She runs a regional support group but what better way to discover a broader perspective that a discussion board for grandparents (albeit not exclusively so) who have a broad range of experience?

If her focus has been narrow, dealing only with estranged grandparents who all feel they should have automatic legal rights, maybe seeing that the vast majority here do not think so, even those who have direct experience of estrangement, will make her look at things differently.

Yes, good post, TinSoldier

The OP was abusive on her other thread which was not only counter-produtive but did make me wonder about her family dynamics too.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 03-Apr-24 22:40:48

So you trust people on these other fora and give them your real name but don’t trust people on GN? Nice.

Smileless2012 Wed 03-Apr-24 21:08:58

How would anyone here know who you are in real life? No one here knows anyone's real name confused.

VioletSky Wed 03-Apr-24 20:43:48

Because I don't want people here to know who I am in real life because I don't trust them, it really is that simple

I've experienced some really awful comments towards me here and I have experienced a lot of things said about me behind my back. I have had so many messages from people saying "you don't seem like x described at all"

I don't want that in a forum that is not anonymous in my real life inbox alongside my real family and friends

Delila Wed 03-Apr-24 20:17:11

Sorry VS, I feel for you if it’s a sensitive subject for some reason, but people who genuinely cared for others in these situations would willingly share sources of help and support. Surely it’s not a secret? You say people can find it if they have genuine need - surely that includes many of the people whose stories you’ve read on Gransnet. Why not share?

Smileless2012 Wed 03-Apr-24 20:13:01

People on open forums don't need protection VS if they do they choose closed sites, and we are in no position to judge who is or is not in genuine need. Sorry but this just doesn't make any sense.

VioletSky Wed 03-Apr-24 20:06:24

Better people find things on their own with genuine need

VioletSky Wed 03-Apr-24 20:05:33

I should not have mentioned it no

For the same reason I wouldn't mention this forum in any of my groups for estranged children

To protect people within the forums

Smileless2012 Wed 03-Apr-24 20:02:05

Well I've tried google but can't find it so if it's an open forum, why not provide the name? Seems a bit odd to even mention it if you're not prepared to share the name so others can see what you're talking about if they want too.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 03-Apr-24 20:00:29

My situation was not connected to abuse by grandparents VS.

VioletSky Wed 03-Apr-24 19:59:00

You would have found it had you needed it

Smileless2012 Wed 03-Apr-24 19:58:11

If the majority are seeking to block access to their abusive parent/parents or ex partner it doesn't sound like a forum that deals with grand parents rights globally.

Smileless2012 Wed 03-Apr-24 19:54:57

As an EGP I'd be very interested in this forum that deals with grand parents rights globally VS could you provide the name please?

VioletSky Wed 03-Apr-24 19:51:01

It is primarily a support and advice forum. There are people qualified to give legal advice but they are still working to have representatives for different areas. They do have lists of family lawyers etc. It is open to anyone needing advice on visitation but the majority are seeking to block access to their abusive parent/parents or ex partner.

Delila Wed 03-Apr-24 19:26:56

I won’t be looking for you, I wondered if it had any decision-making role, or is a discussion forum like Gransnet. I don’t need a name.

VioletSky Wed 03-Apr-24 19:16:55

Delila

*VS*, I’d be interested to know which forum dealing with grandparents’ rights globally you are a part of?

I don't want to be found there. I have had some real problems on this forum at times I don't want in my real life. I guess it may happen now anyway

Delila Wed 03-Apr-24 18:49:45

VS, I’d be interested to know which forum dealing with grandparents’ rights globally you are a part of?