Petition: Give legal right of contact between grandchildren and grandparents

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Well I wouldn't have described your post 15.30 that way VS but it's your post so if you want too, that's OK with me.

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Well I wouldn't have described your post 15.30 that way VS but it's your post so if you want too, that's OK with me.

Oh ok, those are just random words that happened to formulate an opinion when placed together by accident?

No it doesn't prove you right VS lol. I said if, I didn't say there is a generational parental competition going on and at least I can see that if there is, it wont be entirely one sided.

Oh dear lol

Well that just proves me right really doesn't it

It's not today's parents that are in competition by that comment. Common sense dictates that every generation does what they feel is right but like everything else, time and experience teaches us what was wrong and we avoid it

One of the reasons smoking may be decreasing in children is because of the use of vapes. The constant news items and reports I see on tv disagree with you VS that mental health issues in children aren't worse, with an increase being attributed to lock downs due to Covid.

If there is a generational parenting competition going on, it is just as likely to be because some of today's parents are of the belief that everything they do is right, and a lot if not all of how their parents parented was wrong.

From it's first existence in 1889, the Children Act has always been focused on protecting children from harm.

Yes it's main aim is to keep children protected from harm

The children act 1989 has been added to as most legislation is. It was excellent when introduced and enhanced, improved practice.
The first Working Together document was one of the Blair government’s early interventions, along with the early Sure Start family centres. Blair also invested in early years in the knowledge that it would improve outcomes throughout the life of the child

Oh and GDPR, all safeguarding

I think in my coursework we called it an extension

Then there is the Protection of Children act 1999, Working Together to Safeguard Children 2015 and EYFS stage 2017 as well as DBS which are all the relevant ones I think?

Indeed. References to the 1989 Act nowadays would be deemed to include amendments, and it is readily available online in amended form.

That's what I said, if you read the 1989 act, that is out of date, you need to read the 2004 act and the 2017 amendment

The 1989 Act is still in force and still relevant. Amendments were made by the 2004 Act and further provisions are contained in the 2017 Act.

Oh and also drug use, smoking and drinking in teenagers have all been steadily falling

I also do not agree mental health in children is worse now... Simply. People are listening too and helping them more.

Comments really surprise me sometimes, like there is some sort of generational parenting competition going on... There isn't, we are just learning as a society... Things are getting better in many ways

Are children more "entitled" or are children more aware of their own rights and needs?

Children's Act 1989 is out of date, Children's act 2004, which was amended in 2017 (Children and Social care act).

Society has changed without a doubt DL and not for the better in so many ways and IMO the breakdown of the family is an important factor.

Divorce and estrangement can rock the very foundations of a child's world if not handled maturely and in a way which is sensitive to a child's needs.

Yes, the Children Act, back in 1986 (?) started with the best of intentions. But, I suppose society has changed.

As you say, we have increased use of drugs, increased use of other things, and often, the result is a chaotic household.

Very young kids are carrying knives, others are becoming sexualised long before they are emotionally ready to be, and too many people want their own way, about everything, too often.

Resilience and common sense often seems in short supply, and I don’t know why.

We have more than any previous generation, there is more support, financial and practical, than ever before, and yet there are, apparantly, increased mental health issues, such as stress, anxiety and depression.

All this impacts on the care of children - so, no wonder SW’s, teachers etc. are struggling with the work and caseloads.

I don’t know the answer.🤷‍♀️

I’ve had a busy couple of days and just catching up. Thanks to gnhq Lily for popping in when things got heated (even more heated)
DiamondLily, it’s good to read the team around the baby in your family is functioning well and supporting the right outcome for the infant.
A number of people have commented that the family courts, sw and Cafcass don’t always get it right. This is true but doesn’t mean our family laws aren’t as good as those in other countries.
We have huge substance misuse problems, inevitably this means violence, chaos , poor mental health annd inconsistent parenting is increasing. Alongside this, austerity destroyed preventive and support services.
The best interests of children are usually but not always served by remaining with birth parents or in their family of origin.
This has been confirmed by research over many years. Safeguarding is complex work. Caseloads in sw teams and Cafcass are impossible.
Enough

DL and GSM 👍

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No need to apologise maddy. The thread became most unpleasant with unwarranted insults.

Apologies GMS but I had to respond to that horrible post to DL and I’ve only just rejoined the thread.
So, as we were……

Yes, it doesn’t really need insults and uproar. 🙄

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