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worriedmotherbear Sat 25-Oct-25 17:03:12

Not sure where to start with this post. It's a lot, so I thought writing this down would help me sort things out for myself a bit, and of course, vent.

My only daughter who is 24 years old grew up a bit sheltered. Husband (daughter's stepfather) and I have always been very protective of her due to personal reasons and have done what we could to help her develop her skills and talents: supported her with money, studies, finals, anything. She did internships abroad which we (partly) funded. We are very proud of her as she has grown into a bright, personable, charming, beautiful young woman (if I may say so myself). A year ago she got her master's degree, and now she is working a job she is very passionate about.

Sadly she is wanting to throw all of this away due to a 'relationship' she has with a man she has only met once in real life. The first time she brought this man up was at dinner; she told us she had been writing back and forth with an incarcerated person as part of some kind of social initiative. Not out of character for my daughter as she is active within charities. I have always been supportive of this as I think it's good to be forgiving, empathic, and kind. Still, I was worried because, as much as I believe in second chances, inmates are still possibly dangerous. I had so many questions. My husband straight up told her she had to quit doing this, as it would inevitably end up in a big old mess. The topic died down and my daughter did not bring up the letter writing thing for a couple of months.

Then suddenly about a month ago she dropped a new bomb on us, being that she has started a relationship with this prisoner she's been writing. This man is nearly 35 years old so 11 years her senior and his charge is horrifying. It is a violent crime he was convicted for, not something like drugs (which is still illegal, don't misunderstand, but different in nature in my opinion) and is serving a basically unending sentence. It seems like this man has her in some sort of delusional state, she sees everything as a fairy tale. She has described her boyfriend as 'amazing, kind, and clever' and that he has a lot of remorse for what he did. That through this back and forth correspondence she has learned a lot of things about life as well, things she could not have learned from anyone else she has ever met. Mind you, she has never had a solid, long-term relationship. If this can be considered a relationship, this is her first. With a man more than 10 years older than she is. It's horrifying to even think about but unfortunately it gets worse.

Now this inmate is in another state, and my daughter has recently told us she made the decision to move there, so that she can regularly visit (as opposed to the one visit she has made thus far - we didn't even know about this). No concrete plans yet but she said she is going to do this, whether we approve or not.

I've tried expressing just how insane this is to her but she will not listen. There is a mute button inside of her brain right now that is blocking all logic and will not accept any of mine or my husband's thoughts. Moreover she is hurt by our opinion of this relationship and has gone a week NC because "she is an adult and she can make her own decisions". I don't disagree. She IS an adult. She IS capable of making her own decisions. But as her mother is it so bad that I am concerned for her? I worry she is throwing her life away for a man with a criminal record like his, whose chances of ever getting out are small to begin with.

Besides that I worry if this relationship is at all genuine from his side, what if it isn't and he is conning other women alongside her? I have heard of those things happening, inmates doing this sort of stuff for money or favors.

I don't want to lose her, but the situation feels so hopeless. My husband and I don't know what to do. We don't want to lose her, not to this relationship or to our feelings coming across all wrong.

Allsorts Sat 01-Nov-25 20:03:13

So sorry you have this awful situation and don't know what I would do in your position. I can see you and your husband won’t let yourselves be estranged. I have come to the conclusion that I am no good at covering what I think I don't get it right, but hopefully you can as I do know she will do her own thing whatever you say..If you have contact I would have thought she would come back to you if she wants too.

BlueBelle Fri 31-Oct-25 16:39:02

Not sure I totally agreee there Cossy a girl of 24 who has never had a relationship is very very rare There were rules set in place about dating??? That’s fine at 14/15 but later… no, we all need to explore relationships get emotionally embroil get hurt kno pe how to pick and chose and walk away This young, bright, clever, young lady does not sound as if she was ever able to explore the in and outs the loves and hurts and the frustrations of dating

Even now she has picked the safest way possible to have a relationship, he won’t walk out on her, she is safe, she has set herself the same perimeters that she had set for her as a younger person

Grannycool52 Fri 31-Oct-25 16:27:52

On a practical level:
I know from many years of dealing with serious offenders in my job, that they almost always feign remorse, to get better conditions and privileges within prison and to enhance their chances with parole boards.
They also tend to show letters from gullible females around the wing and laugh about them.
I think you can be sure that the man is not taking the 'relationship' seriously.
It often happens that, after a while, the man will start asking the woman to bring things into the prison for him.
On the positive side:
If your daughter goes ahead with this, he can't touch her while he's in prison, so physically there's no risk.
She still has her qualifications and, when this phase passes, she can still get on with her career.
Having achieved a Master's, she is clearly bright and eventually she will see through him and realise this is an infatuation.

Cossy Fri 31-Oct-25 15:09:44

worriedmotherbear

I wonder if I might have protected her a bit too much in childhood and in her teenage years. There were always rules set in place about dating, going out, drinking, and she was always so good with them. She didn't mind. Didn't even seem to be bothered by them. Now it feels like it's all being thrown back into my face - by her choosing this kind of thing for herself when there's so many good things and good guys out there who would LOVE the opportunity to even spend time with her. It's like some sort of sick joke.

This is NOT your fault.

You set pretty good boundaries and this is a parent’s role.

Stay strong, be there, it’s likely this will fizzle out eventually.

Be there to pick up the pieces and pray she sees him for who he really is flowers

smallday51 Fri 31-Oct-25 13:58:23

Please do not cut off from her.please do tell her how proud you are of her and how you support any decision she makes, knowing that you have brought her up to be a kind compassionate and thoughtful adult. Yes, do admit to misgivings, tell her they are based on the fears that you have as clearly you do not know him. Suggest to her that she suspends her decision to move to allow you all to get to know each other and that you hope to visit him with her. Then…sub plan, do go to see him. Do give him a chance. But also try to start new things with your daughter to get her into the real world to hopefully meet a man in the flesh. With a bit of luck, patience, and a fair wind she will find romance with a free person a much more enjoyable and rewarding pastime. And if not, well perhaps he might not be as bad as you think.

Snowbelle Fri 31-Oct-25 12:03:02

He is a convicted violent criminal. He sees women as easily manipulated by using words. All women are the same to him and only useful while they provide what he wants he is a criminal who is violent (has no empathy for victims). There is no evidence he is good only his words but there is evidence he is a violent criminal (locked away by order of the judge for public safety). Leave her alone for now as she won’t listen anyway and she will see you as bad and he will be telling her you are bad also. He is trying to isolate her from your good influence and it is working, the reason he is doing this is because he knows you can see through him. This is an extremely dangerous situation. She is not streetwise and she is vulnerable. Pretend to be supportive for now to maintain contact with her (eg maybe you changed your mind based on what she told you) It’s a battle of wills between him and you and he has the upper hand at the moment. No one can change her mind about him at this time, not even her friends, because she doesn’t want the truth to be reality, until he turns nasty when he doesn’t get his own way (which he will) this is when she will see what he is really capable of. This is your only tool. I’m so very sorry this must be tearing you apart but you have no choice but to play the long game if you want your daughter back safe and sound. Try quietly/anonymously informing the authorities so they have awareness. Good luck 💐

BlessedArt Tue 28-Oct-25 20:29:26

I am so sorry you are going through this. I don’t have much advice because ultimately she is an adult. It still doesn’t change the fact that watching this unfold is scary as a mother at any point in time.

Hithere Sun 26-Oct-25 13:05:17

Unfortunately, she is an adult and she can make her own decisions, she will learn from her own life experiences.

Op, this decision may also come from how she was raised - overprotection may not have assisted with real life social skills

Hands off now before damage is done

NotSpaghetti Sun 26-Oct-25 11:46:45

If he is in a state where he has been given Life imprisonment without the possibility of parole then at least you know it will mean she is not likely to be in any physical danger.

After many years incarcerated it is very hard to adapt to life outside and, I think, needs a lot of sincere reflection and a lot of external support. I have no idea how the releases work in any of the US states.
I knew only one murderer who eventually married a woman who met him through writing to him and certainly during the time I was involved he was kind, gentle and truthful. He had been moved into an "open" prison first and had a job outside and was never in any trouble. It took many years working towards his release.

I believed that he was no longer the man who committed the terrible crime for which he was rightfully imprisoned. He never "forgave" himself but he had engaged with everyone who worked with him in prison and was always mindful of stressful situations and the trust his wife placed in him.

I do hope that your daughter and you find the way to reconcile. You are both in a very difficult situation - and your husband must be just the same.
Thinking of you all and wishing you strength.

eazybee Sun 26-Oct-25 11:12:50

My husband straight up told her she had to quit doing this, as it would inevitably end up in a big old mess.
my daughter has recently told us she made the decision to move there, so that she can regularly visit (as opposed to the one visit she has made thus far - we didn't even know about this).

She is 24! I wonder if the is a special reason why you are so protective of her, but that is your business.

You have to accept she is free to make her own choices, dire though they may be, and you cannot carry on protecting her.
Back off, don't criticise her any more and try to avoid the subject. Does she still live with you?
I ask because I returned home following college aged 21 because my boyfriend was local, and my mother continued treating me as though I was a schoolgirl, wanting to know and be involved in every detail of my life, doing her best to thwart my romance. Unfortunately she was right, but I married him despite everything she did partly because I wanted independence.

I know you are interfering for the best possible reasons, but I don't think she will be influenced by you; she has had a safe, happy life and cannot believe things can go wrong. You have to let her find out the hard way.

M0nica Sun 26-Oct-25 10:55:16

I totally disagree with all those that say you should do anything but continue to love your daughter unconditionally and show that love.

I also absolutely agree that, as far as your daughter is concerned you saying nothing to her about the dangers or otherwise of this man she is infatuated with. Be neutral.

I do agree that you need to contact the prison and alert them to this relationship and warn them of your daughter's vulnerability and seek information.

I will now tell a parable. 50 years ago I had an American flatmate studying in England who paired up with a most unsuitable man, who we were all convinced was only interested in her as aa way of getting legally into the USA. She went back to the USA, told her parents all about it, and they hit the roof. there were rows and threats and so on. The result was that she went off and married him and it was a disaster.

A few years later I worked with a woman whose daughter had done the reverse, gone to the USA and met a man she was determined to marry, who her parents were reasonably convinced was a member of the mafia in New York.

They never criticised him, they had him to stay for a few weeks, they then quietly did little things to obstruct the relationship. Their daughter was always saving for air fares, they quietly encouraaged her to move out to a flat with friends, so she had to pay rent, they encouraged her to buy the clothes her friends did, go to the parties and so on so that the air fare fund grew very slowly. Eventually the relationship petered out.

You know which parent you should be.

Caleo Sun 26-Oct-25 10:43:07

These universities are the most likely to include the appropriate psychology taught to education students:-

Northwestern University (Learning Sciences)

Stanford University

Columbia University (Cognitive Science in Education)

Indiana University Bloomington

Most university degrees in education are mainly practical and are about such components as classroom management, and curriculum development.

Caleo Sun 26-Oct-25 10:32:23

worriedmotherbear

She has a master's degree in the educational field.

Child education as a university level includes psychology so there is hope for her that she will get some insight into the risk she is taking.

Caleo Sun 26-Oct-25 10:28:03

There are two separate issues,
1.
Is your daughter a gullible person who will find a tragic person like the prisoner rates spending her life caring for his well being?

2.
Is the man really a bad man? This is of lesser importance. The fact is that unfortunately he will never be free to provide much companionship or sex. I sympathise too with your daughter and applaud her having the courage of her romantic convictions. I hope you can bring her down to Earth.

worriedmotherbear Sun 26-Oct-25 10:22:07

She has a master's degree in the educational field.

Caleo Sun 26-Oct-25 10:18:26

What subject did she get her degree in? If she studied history or psychology of sexual attraction she may come to understand herself and her motivation.

Caleo Sun 26-Oct-25 10:15:42

I sympathise with your worry. However could you manage to make it sort of lighthearted when you talk to your daughter about her love affair?

I doubt if she will welcome your telling her that you are worried. Maybe you could slip in a lighthearted comment about the myth of romantic love.

worriedmotherbear Sun 26-Oct-25 09:49:54

I don't know much of sentencing and how it will go in practice, I am quoting what I've found on the Internet. Based on this I think it's unlikely he will get out. And I hope he doesnt.

worriedmotherbear Sun 26-Oct-25 09:48:47

I am from TX, the US. She would be moving approx. 3h flight away.
Life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.

BlueBelle Sun 26-Oct-25 09:41:44

I can't see how she would be so lonely she has to turn to a convict out of all people but worriedmother she hasn’t turned to him because she’s lonely, of course not, she’s turned to him because she’s had no experience of a boyfriend or a relationship and she’s 24 and she’s now fell head over heels for a man showing her affection and interest. She wrote to him for some time so I expect their heads are on a par He may be a convict but he may be intelligent and on her wavelength You can’t write his brain off because he’s done a bad thing

She is doing what a 14 year old would do, defying all of her sensible side for this man, I remember at 14 climbing out a window to go and meet a newly divorced man ten years older that had asked me out, he had a car and it was so exciting, but totally, totally inappropriate thankfully he never took advantage of me, instead broke my heart and came to his senses. It was a big lesson for me She has not learned any of those lessons as a teen She will have to learn now and on her own without you protecting her Just be there if needed in the future
I do wish you good luck Stay out of it and just be there

NotSpaghetti Sun 26-Oct-25 09:32:09

I don't know ow where you are worriedmotherbear.
Or , more importantly, where he is.

You say He was convicted to life in prison many years ago...

Does that mean he can never be released?

I'm only asking as I've worked with released life prisoners here in the UK.

worriedmotherbear Sun 26-Oct-25 09:27:02

eazybee

Two things: you mention that you have been very protective of your daughter all he life; secondly that she is personable and charming but at 24 has never had a relationship. Does she have any friends her own age?

She is like a teenage girl living a fantasy. Unfortunately she is adult enough to empathise and connect with a dangerous criminal but gullible enough to be taken in by him. Perhaps deep down she can unleash fantasies because she believes he is unobtainable?
But you definitely need to contact the prison and discover what you can about the situation. How you handle it I don't know.

She does have an extensive circle of friends, many of them she met in high school or college. She's made quick friends with coworkers as well. I can't see how she would be so lonely she has to turn to a convict out of all people.
But I do see this as a sot of teenaged fantasy as well. It's juvenile. Her way of talking about him and how she sees him.

worriedmotherbear Sun 26-Oct-25 09:25:47

Sparklefizz

NotSpaghetti OP used the words and is serving a basically unending sentence hence I thought he would never be released.

He was convicted to life in prison many years ago..

Sparklefizz Sun 26-Oct-25 09:19:06

NotSpaghetti OP used the words and is serving a basically unending sentence hence I thought he would never be released.

NotSpaghetti Sun 26-Oct-25 08:01:48

Sparklefizz , There is nothing that worriedmotherbear has said to say he won't be released in future.

Prison is boring and having a loving and caring person on the outside keeps people going. I think he will seem wonderful to your daughter as he probably genuinely is excited to see her, get her letters, is kind and gentle with her. He probably has encouraged her to move so they can be closer.

I don't know where you are worriedmotherbear and what visitation and "extended family visit" rules are there. It may be that your daughter wants to start a family with this man and though conjugal visitation is a privilege, not a right, and less US states offer it than used to it is possible that she maybe thinking along these lines.

Please write to her quickly, tell her how you love her and were overcome with worry and didn't give him a chance.
Whatever you think, do not push her away any more. Work to heal this rift. Whether he will be released or not, you do not want to lose her - and she probably won't want to lose you either.
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