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worriedmotherbear Sat 25-Oct-25 17:03:12

Not sure where to start with this post. It's a lot, so I thought writing this down would help me sort things out for myself a bit, and of course, vent.

My only daughter who is 24 years old grew up a bit sheltered. Husband (daughter's stepfather) and I have always been very protective of her due to personal reasons and have done what we could to help her develop her skills and talents: supported her with money, studies, finals, anything. She did internships abroad which we (partly) funded. We are very proud of her as she has grown into a bright, personable, charming, beautiful young woman (if I may say so myself). A year ago she got her master's degree, and now she is working a job she is very passionate about.

Sadly she is wanting to throw all of this away due to a 'relationship' she has with a man she has only met once in real life. The first time she brought this man up was at dinner; she told us she had been writing back and forth with an incarcerated person as part of some kind of social initiative. Not out of character for my daughter as she is active within charities. I have always been supportive of this as I think it's good to be forgiving, empathic, and kind. Still, I was worried because, as much as I believe in second chances, inmates are still possibly dangerous. I had so many questions. My husband straight up told her she had to quit doing this, as it would inevitably end up in a big old mess. The topic died down and my daughter did not bring up the letter writing thing for a couple of months.

Then suddenly about a month ago she dropped a new bomb on us, being that she has started a relationship with this prisoner she's been writing. This man is nearly 35 years old so 11 years her senior and his charge is horrifying. It is a violent crime he was convicted for, not something like drugs (which is still illegal, don't misunderstand, but different in nature in my opinion) and is serving a basically unending sentence. It seems like this man has her in some sort of delusional state, she sees everything as a fairy tale. She has described her boyfriend as 'amazing, kind, and clever' and that he has a lot of remorse for what he did. That through this back and forth correspondence she has learned a lot of things about life as well, things she could not have learned from anyone else she has ever met. Mind you, she has never had a solid, long-term relationship. If this can be considered a relationship, this is her first. With a man more than 10 years older than she is. It's horrifying to even think about but unfortunately it gets worse.

Now this inmate is in another state, and my daughter has recently told us she made the decision to move there, so that she can regularly visit (as opposed to the one visit she has made thus far - we didn't even know about this). No concrete plans yet but she said she is going to do this, whether we approve or not.

I've tried expressing just how insane this is to her but she will not listen. There is a mute button inside of her brain right now that is blocking all logic and will not accept any of mine or my husband's thoughts. Moreover she is hurt by our opinion of this relationship and has gone a week NC because "she is an adult and she can make her own decisions". I don't disagree. She IS an adult. She IS capable of making her own decisions. But as her mother is it so bad that I am concerned for her? I worry she is throwing her life away for a man with a criminal record like his, whose chances of ever getting out are small to begin with.

Besides that I worry if this relationship is at all genuine from his side, what if it isn't and he is conning other women alongside her? I have heard of those things happening, inmates doing this sort of stuff for money or favors.

I don't want to lose her, but the situation feels so hopeless. My husband and I don't know what to do. We don't want to lose her, not to this relationship or to our feelings coming across all wrong.

NotSpaghetti Sat 25-Oct-25 17:12:31

I feel your panic but there is nothing you can do.
Do not say anything else negative about him or if/when it all goes pear shaped she will not want to tell you.

Be open with her that you were/are simply scared and love her (and always will).

I don't know his story but I have worked with ex offenders in the UK. Including "lifers". Some do turn it round.
Over here I'd want his probation officer to know about the relationship.
Tell her it was just a massive shock.

Sparklefizz Sat 25-Oct-25 17:19:39

I am so sorry to read this and can fully understand how worried you must be.

However, if he is indeed serving "an unending sentence" as you say, and will never be coming out of prison, then maybe it would be best to let the relationship run its course and thus preserve your own relationship with your daughter.

If he was likely to be released and she would be setting up home with him, then that's a totally different scenario.

If she has her heart broken by this man, then all you can do is pick up the pieces and she will need you then. She does have to make her own mistakes and as parents all we can do is watch.

butterandjam Sat 25-Oct-25 17:51:28

Of course it isn't genuine from his side. FGS do NOT get sucked into her delusion.

He's grooming her for whatever he can use her for during his long sentence. Money, drugs, sex fantasy letters and images of her he can sell to other cons; running messages to and from lowlife outside the prison. Stuff that could ruin her life.

In your shoes I'd pull whatever dirty trick might possibly apply the brakes/stop her in her tracks.

Contact the prison and warn them what he's up to. Check that she knows his real name and age, his real offences, the ones recorded in court.

Tell her she has to choose between a (non-existent, fantasy ) relationship with him, and her lifelong real relationship with her parents. You mean it. She can't have both. YOU will go NC.

I'd be googling his criminal history, his marital status, his family; has he got multiple wives, children? Find the holes in the story he's told her.

She will hate all this and be very angry with you.
Your relationship with her is real , lifelong and based on love . It can stand some heavy fire. Threatening her with NC will hurt you. But it's not as bad as the pain you're all going to suffer from whatever shit he drags her into.

worriedmotherbear Sat 25-Oct-25 18:02:25

butterandjam

Of course it isn't genuine from his side. FGS do NOT get sucked into her delusion.

He's grooming her for whatever he can use her for during his long sentence. Money, drugs, sex fantasy letters and images of her he can sell to other cons; running messages to and from lowlife outside the prison. Stuff that could ruin her life.

In your shoes I'd pull whatever dirty trick might possibly apply the brakes/stop her in her tracks.

Contact the prison and warn them what he's up to. Check that she knows his real name and age, his real offences, the ones recorded in court.

Tell her she has to choose between a (non-existent, fantasy ) relationship with him, and her lifelong real relationship with her parents. You mean it. She can't have both. YOU will go NC.

I'd be googling his criminal history, his marital status, his family; has he got multiple wives, children? Find the holes in the story he's told her.

She will hate all this and be very angry with you.
Your relationship with her is real , lifelong and based on love . It can stand some heavy fire. Threatening her with NC will hurt you. But it's not as bad as the pain you're all going to suffer from whatever shit he drags her into.

She has gone NC with us and has been for a week. I am leaving her alone in hopes of her coming to her senses and realizing we just want the best for her. It's been harrowing of course because I miss her and being around her but I don't want to throw any fuel on the fire... and possibly upset her.
In the meanwhile I did try to gather all the information I could find on him... which is not a lot. Mostly on his crime and a bit about his upbringing but close to nothing about what he is doing now (as you mention, marital status etc.). He is not married from what I can find, no kids. I have found his mother and father on Facebook as well as his siblings... no mention there of him or a possible wife. Though the mom mentions on one article he is still a part of the family as much as before.
I want to try and do this, to make her see him for what he is, but I have no clue how. I am terrified of him using her. I always protected my daughter a little too much, and I know this will break her heart in the end, whether he's conning her or she's wasting months (God forbid it turns into years) of her life for a man she might not even build a family with, which I know is her big dream deep down. She's totally infatuated with this man.

Skye17 Sat 25-Oct-25 18:04:11

I really sympathise. I don't think I'd threaten her with NC. It's a high-risk strategy.

I'm not sure what I would do though! I would probably tell her that I love her and I'm always here to support her, whatever. I would share my concerns as calmly as possible. I think butterandjam might well be right that he is trying to use her. I would say it is up to her what she chooses to do, but I'm just concerned that this may be bad for her. I'd repeat that I, and her dad, want to support her whatever she chooses.

Then I would probably not say anything else for a time but pray a lot.

Skye17 Sat 25-Oct-25 18:07:05

Cross-post. I had left out of account that she has already gone NC with you. Maybe send her a nice message about how you always want to support her, and you accept it is up to her what she does, but you were just concerned about her?

I hope it works out OK.

worriedmotherbear Sat 25-Oct-25 18:16:44

I wonder if I might have protected her a bit too much in childhood and in her teenage years. There were always rules set in place about dating, going out, drinking, and she was always so good with them. She didn't mind. Didn't even seem to be bothered by them. Now it feels like it's all being thrown back into my face - by her choosing this kind of thing for herself when there's so many good things and good guys out there who would LOVE the opportunity to even spend time with her. It's like some sort of sick joke.

Babs03 Sat 25-Oct-25 21:59:33

Have heard of women becoming infatuated with men who are incarcerated, some for heinous crimes. This probably has nothing to do with the way you brought your daughter up, and everything to do with your daughter’s need for a fantasy romance.
The drama and excitement of it all makes her feel important/special whilst at the same time safe from a ‘real’ relationship which would be more mundane/ordinary.
Though it will be very hard try not to play into this drama, downplay it and shrug it off, and whilst not going NC try to distance yourselves a bit and get on with your own lives. Show her that it’s no big deal even though I know that it is. And hopefully once her romance ceases to be such a drama she will lose interest.
Am so sorry you are dealing with this.
🙏🏾🌹

Skydancer Sat 25-Oct-25 22:16:31

My DD has always gone for “naughty boys” and it has led to nothing but heartbreak.

rafichagran Sat 25-Oct-25 22:45:20

This us not the first time I have heard this. A woman in the UK befriended a prisoner on death row, he was eventually executed and she went to see him and witness this. Alot of women who do this become infatuated.
I would not go NC, because if this relationship goes badly wrong she may need your support.
I hope this has a good ending for everyone

Shelflife Sat 25-Oct-25 23:42:47

I can only imagine the distress you and your DH are enduring. I too have heard of this before. Your DD is naive and completely under the spell of this man. The ' relationship ' will bring her nothing but sorrow and clearly you know this. This is out of my experience so I have no advise to offer. My over riding thought is to maintain a relationship with your DD. Hopefully this will go pear shaped and she will then need you and your husbands support. Thinking you keep posting if that helps, you must be distraught. 💐🌸

Shelflife Sat 25-Oct-25 23:59:08

Do not for one second think this is a result of how you brought her up . It most definitely is not!!

LemonJam Sun 26-Oct-25 00:36:46

Distressing and worrying for you worriedmotherbear.

I'm with Babs03- it's a fantasy relationship. The convict is incarcerated so by definition is totally not available for a real relationship. Therefore this provides distance and safety for your daughter to explore her emotions and feelings. She may not be fully aware, but she can enjoy the drama of a fantasy romance and at the same time rebel against the over protective bubble you created and she has experienced to date. She's dropped a bomb as you describe which must feel powerful for her. Going No contact unwittingly gives her power also. She is seeking to strike out for independence, to break free of previous restrictions, establish her adult identity and wants to firmly establish her right to make her own decisions- even if they are the wrong ones... Give her a little space to work through this process.

I agree a good strategy is to downplay the situation, get on with your own life, show your daughter you love her and only discuss her contact with this convict if she brings it up. Even then, when she does mention him, just say you respect her decisions, hope that he makes her happy and is able to offer her a life that will make her happy, and love her. Rather than making statements or judgements ask none threatening questions to help her reflect on her "relationship". E.g what is it you have in common? Do you think we would like him? Do you think it would ever be possible for us to meet him at some stage as you always imagined looking forward to getting to know your daughter's partner? Do you think he would like us? How do you make each other happy/have fun? How do you both support each other? Do you both share any interests? How do you both cope being apart for long periods? How can I/we support you both? This shows her you care and that you respect her independence but also facilitates and encourages her reflection on the reality of her situation. You will also be letting her know that you will always be there for her and will always support her.

BlueBelle Sun 26-Oct-25 05:59:57

I agree with everything Lemonjam has advised
This is not totally uncommon for some women to choose an unavailable partner. You may be right that your tightness of rules re going out, dating etc kept her safe through her teens but didn’t give her the chance to explore and find out how to juggle men, difficult situations and to grow , however don’t beat yourself up over that, we all do what we think is right in bringing our babies up and nothing can be changed now, so hunting for a reason is pointless and only hurts you. In nearly every other way it has turned out really well and everything you hoped for, in her personality, education, job, has come up trumps so you did a wonderful job

She has (unknown to her) found a safe way to fall in love because he can’t walk away from her, he won’t just dump her, or treat her badly so she unconsciously feels very safe in this relationship and it is a very real relationship to her. He may be an intelligent man who she can talk on a level with and without ever having to face any of the risks she would in a more normal love life

There is nothing you can do at this stage please whatever you do DO NOT follow Butterandjam s passionate advice Do NOT tell her she has to chose or you ll go No contact you will lose her and any chance of ever helping her

She has told you she will move to be nearer him and there is nothing you can do to stop this, she will unfortunately waste her best years on this ‘safe’ relationship and you can only stand back watch and be there for her if it ends, but don’t lose her, she will need your love and support it may fizzle out at some point but it equally may not She has to learn fir herself with you very much in the background
I wish you every luck in the world

GoodAfternoonTea Sun 26-Oct-25 06:58:08

Just look at some of the newspaper headlines in the UK. Prison officials having affairs with dangerous psychopathic inmates, always women under the thrall of men. They lose their jobs, families, reputation, and it will not change. Some girls love a bad boy and think that their love will change him. Twas ever thus!

eazybee Sun 26-Oct-25 07:16:40

Two things: you mention that you have been very protective of your daughter all he life; secondly that she is personable and charming but at 24 has never had a relationship. Does she have any friends her own age?

She is like a teenage girl living a fantasy. Unfortunately she is adult enough to empathise and connect with a dangerous criminal but gullible enough to be taken in by him. Perhaps deep down she can unleash fantasies because she believes he is unobtainable?
But you definitely need to contact the prison and discover what you can about the situation. How you handle it I don't know.

keepingquiet Sun 26-Oct-25 07:34:32

Don't interfere with this hard though it is.

As a mother of course it will cause worry for you, but as an adult she is showing you she can make her own choices, however disastrous you may think they are.

Like others have said- continue to show your love and support for her- if it is an act of rebellion against you it will lose momentum if you don't react adversely.
I would encourage normal social interactions with family and friends as much as you can but apart from that let her go and life the life she chooses for herself.

That is the sign of successful parenting.

NotSpaghetti Sun 26-Oct-25 08:01:48

Sparklefizz , There is nothing that worriedmotherbear has said to say he won't be released in future.

Prison is boring and having a loving and caring person on the outside keeps people going. I think he will seem wonderful to your daughter as he probably genuinely is excited to see her, get her letters, is kind and gentle with her. He probably has encouraged her to move so they can be closer.

I don't know where you are worriedmotherbear and what visitation and "extended family visit" rules are there. It may be that your daughter wants to start a family with this man and though conjugal visitation is a privilege, not a right, and less US states offer it than used to it is possible that she maybe thinking along these lines.

Please write to her quickly, tell her how you love her and were overcome with worry and didn't give him a chance.
Whatever you think, do not push her away any more. Work to heal this rift. Whether he will be released or not, you do not want to lose her - and she probably won't want to lose you either.
flowers

Sparklefizz Sun 26-Oct-25 09:19:06

NotSpaghetti OP used the words and is serving a basically unending sentence hence I thought he would never be released.

worriedmotherbear Sun 26-Oct-25 09:25:47

Sparklefizz

NotSpaghetti OP used the words and is serving a basically unending sentence hence I thought he would never be released.

He was convicted to life in prison many years ago..

worriedmotherbear Sun 26-Oct-25 09:27:02

eazybee

Two things: you mention that you have been very protective of your daughter all he life; secondly that she is personable and charming but at 24 has never had a relationship. Does she have any friends her own age?

She is like a teenage girl living a fantasy. Unfortunately she is adult enough to empathise and connect with a dangerous criminal but gullible enough to be taken in by him. Perhaps deep down she can unleash fantasies because she believes he is unobtainable?
But you definitely need to contact the prison and discover what you can about the situation. How you handle it I don't know.

She does have an extensive circle of friends, many of them she met in high school or college. She's made quick friends with coworkers as well. I can't see how she would be so lonely she has to turn to a convict out of all people.
But I do see this as a sot of teenaged fantasy as well. It's juvenile. Her way of talking about him and how she sees him.

NotSpaghetti Sun 26-Oct-25 09:32:09

I don't know ow where you are worriedmotherbear.
Or , more importantly, where he is.

You say He was convicted to life in prison many years ago...

Does that mean he can never be released?

I'm only asking as I've worked with released life prisoners here in the UK.

BlueBelle Sun 26-Oct-25 09:41:44

I can't see how she would be so lonely she has to turn to a convict out of all people but worriedmother she hasn’t turned to him because she’s lonely, of course not, she’s turned to him because she’s had no experience of a boyfriend or a relationship and she’s 24 and she’s now fell head over heels for a man showing her affection and interest. She wrote to him for some time so I expect their heads are on a par He may be a convict but he may be intelligent and on her wavelength You can’t write his brain off because he’s done a bad thing

She is doing what a 14 year old would do, defying all of her sensible side for this man, I remember at 14 climbing out a window to go and meet a newly divorced man ten years older that had asked me out, he had a car and it was so exciting, but totally, totally inappropriate thankfully he never took advantage of me, instead broke my heart and came to his senses. It was a big lesson for me She has not learned any of those lessons as a teen She will have to learn now and on her own without you protecting her Just be there if needed in the future
I do wish you good luck Stay out of it and just be there

worriedmotherbear Sun 26-Oct-25 09:48:47

I am from TX, the US. She would be moving approx. 3h flight away.
Life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.