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Terrible relationship with DIL - am I the problem?

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CelloPlayer Sun 19-Apr-26 09:46:48

My eldest, C (22 years old) started seeing his current partner, A (24 years old) three years ago.

I will be honest, I was, at first, not thrilled with the relationship. First, I was a bit jarred by the age difference. C was born in 2004 whereas A was born in 2001. I worried she might have an upper hand in the relationship, and her experience with life could place him in a subservient role, even though I've raised him to be an independent, assertive young man. Second, I am Korean, and I always imagined my sons - I have two boys, aged 28 and 24 - would end up with Korean women. I would ask him from time to time if he had met any cute Korean girls at university, and every time I would get the same response: "No mom, I have a girlfriend and she is white just like your husband is white." I did not think that was very respectful, but I let it go.

We had a lot of arguments over the years due to some unfortunate statements I made as I suspected the relationship wasn't serious... I may have suggested once or twice that it might be good for him to “keep his options open” since they were still so young. At one point C stopped speaking to me for a bit when I tried to explain that cultural compatibility matters and that Asian women are often better mothers, partners, lovers, etc. In my experience, that is the truth.
To be clear: I apologized if I offended A, as this was not my inten. However, my son and DIL have not been able to let these "rocky beginnings" go, unfortunately.

They eloped in early 2025. It was literally just C, A and their dog. I tried not to take this decision personally. That said, it is hard to come to terms with the fact that my own son did not want me to share this beautiful moment with them... I had to do some reflecting, especially in regards to what kind of mother (and mother-in-law) I had been over the last few years. So I have tried very hard to make things right since she got pregnant. I bought gifts, brought over homemade meals, sent articles about baby care, and apologized, time and again, if I had offended her. I explained myself and even offered some reflections on cultural differences, tips for how to make different worldviews work within a marriage. My husband is white, British born, so I have had plenty of my own experiences. Nothing worked... none of my affection or generosity was returned. It's like talking to a wall. But apparently I am the problem.

A had their son in March. My husband and I were not allowed to be present during the birth or even visit afterward because she "didn't feel right". I understood and respected that at face value, though I heard (from mutual acquaintances) that her parents were there the entire time. I didn't want to assume the worst, but it was more and more difficult not to feel singled out... In the meantime, I tried to be thoughtful, bought lavish gifts for both the new mother and the boy, offered homemade meals. He said they appreciated my effort... but she still "wasn't feeling OK yet", so I was not allowed to see the baby.

I saw my grandson for the first time last week. I felt this had gone on long enough and took initiative, took time off work, and let C know I would be coming by. I don’t think a grandmother should have to beg for permission to meet her grandson. Since this visit, however, C and A have been ignoring my messages and calls, not a clue as to what is going on on their side, as my visit was pleasant and everyone seemed content. A was looking radiant if a bit tired, and the baby was peaceful and calm when I held him.

Have I gone wrong? At this point, I am at a loss. I have reflected, apologized, made efforts, been generous, and shown nothing but love. Meanwhile, A continues to keep me at arm’s length while allowing her own family full access.

How can I get through to A and win her over so that I am allowed to care for my grandson and share special moments with him just like her mother does? Have any of you gone through anything like this?

Esmay Mon 20-Apr-26 09:17:57

I've seen this attitude happen with my mix of multi national friends-and one thing they all learnt the hard way-they realised that love will usually conquer old fashioned family values and traditions.
It's hard for you to come to terms with it - perhaps heavily influenced by your upbringing -but you are in the wrong.
It's going to take a lot of apologies and smoothing over to make amends.
Apologise and then back off until they make a move towards a reconciliation.

MarieElla Mon 20-Apr-26 09:07:08

I think your son and DIL have shown great strength of character by distancing themselves until yiu amend your behaviour, I hope, although they may not be prepared to give you another chance.
I'd like to know what your husband's role is/was in thus situation.
Did he point out how inappropriate your behaviour was or just go along with it?
So many people chastising you for yoyr behaviour, and rightfully so, but what about the Dad's part?

Sago Mon 20-Apr-26 08:31:08

Macaydia

Sago

sixandahalf

Can you entice her with a small gift? Does she like hummingbirds at all?

Could this be a reference to the very bizarre post some time ago about the cleaner and the hummingbird cup and saucer?

That was a funny post. And there was a whip. grin

(I was trying to quote Sago's post not ShelfLife's confused)

Yes a whip!

It’s all coming back to me now.

It was a great thread, gave us lots of amusement😳

NotSpaghetti Mon 20-Apr-26 00:50:25

You have said several good things about your daughter-in-law. I would make a huge effort to find the good in her.
The more good things you notice I think you will like her more and more. Then what you say will become genuine.

I think you know what has gone wrong here.
If you get a chance I would try to see the positive in this relationship and would not chase seeing the baby or getting involved - even if this is hard.

I do hope things gradually improve for all of you.

Macaydia Mon 20-Apr-26 00:47:38

I loved my MiL. She was so good to me. Rest her soul.

Newatthis Mon 20-Apr-26 00:02:21

OMG - Your son is as much 'white' as he is Korean! I take it he has been brought up on the UK? You sound VERY interfering even though you say you have stepped back. STOP send baby articles - they will bring up baby the way they see fit and provided they are not harming the baby then no-one should interfere - we all do things differently!!!

BlessedArt Sun 19-Apr-26 23:58:48

crazyH

I think Cello has very gracefully admitted her mistakes.
I wonder why ms.i.l. get such a raw deal. We’re always treading on eggshells and most of the time, unsuccessfully.

MILs don’t get a raw deal. Most of us who are MILs manage to avoid saying racist or rude things and avoid being overbearing. It’s easier than you think.

It’s also not a “raw deal” when people distance from consistently unpleasant behaviour. It’s actually quite normal, regardless of familial title or relation. Kindness cost nothing. Keeping rude, unwanted opinions to one’s self takes little to no energy even when we’re talking to our own sons and daughters. No relationship is perfect but it’s easier to maintain cohesion when we think about others’ feelings before we speak. Our offspring and their partners are worthy of respect. Perhaps the OP would have fared better if she thought about that before being so unkind.

Macaydia Sun 19-Apr-26 22:26:00

Sago

sixandahalf

Can you entice her with a small gift? Does she like hummingbirds at all?

Could this be a reference to the very bizarre post some time ago about the cleaner and the hummingbird cup and saucer?

That was a funny post. And there was a whip. grin

(I was trying to quote Sago's post not ShelfLife's confused)

Macaydia Sun 19-Apr-26 22:21:38

Shelflife

This can't be a genuine post !?
If it is then CelloPlayer you need help and fast. Expecting to be at the birth of their child, sending childcare advice. For goodness sake back off. There is so much wrong with this post, I don't know where to start. Estrangement hurtling towards you- not surprising really.

That was a funny post. And there was a whip. grin

silverlining48 Sun 19-Apr-26 21:55:29

Can’t agree that ‘backing away for months or years’ will help this unfortunate situation. Better to sincerely apologise, and mean it, try not to interfere and hope for the best.

Gran22boys Sun 19-Apr-26 20:31:36

crazyH

I think Cello has very gracefully admitted her mistakes.
I wonder why ms.i.l. get such a raw deal. We’re always treading on eggshells and most of the time, unsuccessfully.

I agree. Cello has asked for advice, has received it and has accepted her mistakes and is willing to change. Hopefully she can now put things right. She may have been, unsurprisingly, over-emotional at the thought of becoming a grandmother. She meant well but it came out wrong. I think her family should cut her some slack now.

crazyH Sun 19-Apr-26 20:22:42

I think Cello has very gracefully admitted her mistakes.
I wonder why ms.i.l. get such a raw deal. We’re always treading on eggshells and most of the time, unsuccessfully.

Macaydia Sun 19-Apr-26 20:21:30

You cannot purchase the title of Grandma so throwing lavish gifts their way is futile.

I agree with everyone that you need to back away for quite some time. Months, maybe years.

silverlining48 Sun 19-Apr-26 19:54:00

I think perhaps cello has understood that she has made mistakes. She accepts and needs to make changes in her relationship with her son and his wife and child. She understands.
Good luck Cello. Hope things improve

Shelflife Sun 19-Apr-26 19:05:56

This can't be a genuine post !?
If it is then CelloPlayer you need help and fast. Expecting to be at the birth of their child, sending childcare advice. For goodness sake back off. There is so much wrong with this post, I don't know where to start. Estrangement hurtling towards you- not surprising really.

Sago Sun 19-Apr-26 16:00:23

sixandahalf

Can you entice her with a small gift? Does she like hummingbirds at all?

Could this be a reference to the very bizarre post some time ago about the cleaner and the hummingbird cup and saucer?

janeainsworth Sun 19-Apr-26 15:54:51

My husband and I were not allowed to be present during the birth

Whatever made you think you might be?

BlessedArt Sun 19-Apr-26 15:43:31

CelloPlayer

Thank you all for the responses. I am understanding I hurt my DIL's feelings and there is no easy way to come back from that I suppose. The expensive gifts were no way to express that I am sorry. I'm feeling a bit ashamed.

You didn’t just hurt your DIL. You hurt your son. Don’t spin this as a MIL vs DIL issue. You were horrible to both.

BlessedArt Sun 19-Apr-26 15:41:17

I think that describing how much of a bigot you are, then denying you are a bigot is the key here. You have zero self-awareness and refuse to see it. The impression I get from your post is that these are your feelings and you are simply upset that sharing them backfired enough to make them want to distance. You said what you said and they rightfully believed you. That genie can’t jump back in the bottle. People generally don’t like raising children around racists these days, thank God. Please note that your feelings may not be hateful but they are indeed racist.

To think you and your husband would be allowed in the delivery room was just plain weird because any woman who has given birth understands the level of vulnerability and subsequent need for comfort from anyone present. It’s absurd you saw both yourself and your husband as possible sources of comfort and support to your DIL. Your son can’t give birth so anyone not in that room for the expectant mother had no business being there. It doesn’t matter who else was. Your “hurt” at being “excluded” is selfish and misguided.

You announced to them when you were coming to visit, which is also pretty absurd. It wasn’t up to you to decide. It was up to them. You do not respect their autonomy and so should not be surprised that they are not open to seeing you much.

Maybe time will heal, maybe it won’t. I think you should be happy they haven’t completely cut you out and be satisfied with that fact alone. You would have burned the bridge completely if I were your son and DIL. They are more than kind to have not. Take that as your win. Accept that they are justified in keeping you at arms length.

MarieElla Sun 19-Apr-26 15:27:32

It's good you feel ashamed. That feeling will help you put things right.
I wish you the best in the future with your new grandson and his parents.

CelloPlayer Sun 19-Apr-26 15:25:30

agnurse

1. Your son's choice of partner is nothing to do with you. He's an adult. He makes his own decisions.

2. Likely, her parents being present at the birth was about them supporting their daughter, who was undergoing a medical experience, rather than seeing their grandchild. Women need to feel safe in order for labour to proceed.

3. They likely need some time and space to adapt to being new parents. You have definitely overstepped by coming over unannounced.

The most I would recommend for now is that you admit you've overstepped, apologize sincerely, and say you'll wait for THEM to be ready.

In a little bit I will do just that. I did overstep, selfishly so. I think it would be a good idea to give them time as some have suggested, perhaps wait for them/my son to reach out and then offer a genuine apology for letting me need to see the boy overtake my respect for boundaries. Truly, I feel ashamed about it. All I can do now is not repeat it.

CelloPlayer Sun 19-Apr-26 15:23:39

Thank you all for the responses. I am understanding I hurt my DIL's feelings and there is no easy way to come back from that I suppose. The expensive gifts were no way to express that I am sorry. I'm feeling a bit ashamed.

Astitchintime Sun 19-Apr-26 15:23:31

‘My husband and I were not allowed to be present during the birth or even visit afterward because she "didn't feel right".’………….are you serious??? No one has a right to be at any birth apart from the medical team and the birthing partner chosen by the mum to be!

Continue with your present behaviour and you will lose your son and GC…….you evidently do not seem that bothered about your DIL anyway.

Judy54 Sun 19-Apr-26 14:57:56

On what I have read yes *CelloPlayer it seems the problems stem from yourself. Give them some space and peace to live their lives the way that they want to, none of us can live other people's lives for them or dictate how they should do so. We all need to let our children go and grow into adulthood just as our Parents did with us. Be supportive and caring, show them respect and you will receive respect in return. Nothing more I can say.

DamaskRose Sun 19-Apr-26 14:42:34

You are going to have to eat a HUGE humble pie, OP, if you stand any chance of a relationship with your S, DiL or GS. But you will have to eat it slowly, digesting very thoroughly. You have behaved badly but I am willing to believe, helped by Spore above, that a small amount may be due to cultural differences. But you really must take the advice on here, this is your problem to fix. I wish you good luck, I think you’re going to need it.