New life after death?

.....am I the only one who is completely bemused and mystified by DCMG's posts? I really haven't a clue what he's on about - maybe I just have a blank on this one?

DCMG I don't think you have quite grasped that we are not having either a scientific debate or an in-depth seminar on deeply-held religious beliefs. The phenomenon that you witness here is a 'chat amongst friends' who enjoy exchanging views of interest, who respect the views of those who don't wish to become involved and who do not like to be patronised. Therefore I concur with the suggestions that perhaps you'd like to go and play elsewhere. Please don't feel that we are relying on you to put us right on the subject.
Check again your earlier post and you'll perhaps understand that might see the 'shiver and spooky' comments as sarcastic and surely by now you have grasped that we do not like to be addressed as 'girls'.

I'm neither superstitious nor religious which is why I have not chosen to contribute to this thread. DCMG, why not just follow the old lady's example?

It does get rather wearing to see debate descend into rudeness. Lots of Gransnetters have made it clear that politeness doesn't cost anything and there is room and a welcome for everyone's opinion. Otherwise, it can look like mischief is afoot, to say the least!

DCMG You will certainly loose out on the vote here,even though my thoughts are different to the majority GNers are entitled to their own thoughts,and they should be respected by everyone.It would be a very sad world if every one had the same taste and theories so as super says off you pop and do something constructive.

DCMG Although I am not necessarily in tune with those GN who are contributing to this thread, I would like to think that they should be left in peace to share with each other whatever feelings make them comfortable. Your rude comments are obnoxious. Perhaps you should find some DIY to keep you out of mischief.

Ok then em...
I had no intention to be patronising - I did not say that this was a particular fault of " silly girls" I have met plenty of men who have similar ideas. And... I will say no more than "kettle pot black etc" about your " be a good boy" comment - if you hoped to offend -bang on.

As for sarcasm - No.
My choice of words in the example drawn from my own grandfather's death and my near in date birth was to show that If I wished I could repackage those same dates as "proof" of "one in one out".

As I have said - believe what you want if it helps you.
As a rule "in fact" I tend to leave the supertitious to their beliefs as it (so obviously) upsets them to have those ideas questioned, doubted or confronted with contrary facts.

Provided, that is, that those beliefs are not harmful to themselves or others.
My own mother's alzheimer's dementia was accelerated by her sure certain passionate faith in spiritualism and a belief in a parallel world - ie the afterlife. She all too easily locked herself into a world crowded out with her dead relatives (mother father and a brother who died as a baby before I was born) These people became more real to her that those of us who were alive!
She would have been mentally more healthy for longer had she not had a "ready made off the shelf" alternative reality.

Now, where I have a real problem is with the use of the words
"ostensibly scientific evidence, statistics".

There is nothing "ostensible" about them at all!
They are what they are!
Facts, numerical truths, which run directly contrary to the belief that when
"one soul leaves this earth -another comes into it"

And ignoring them....
Just saying " I don't care - I know that when my gran died that...."
Won't go make them go away...

DCMG - this thread clearly isn't making you happy so may I suggest, with all due respect, that you leave us 'girls' to be sentimental about this issue if we choose. I don't think we need to be patronised nor bombarded with ostensibly scientific evidence, statistics and sarcasm. Now be a good boy and let the grans get on with their conversation.

Oh yes!
My paternal grandfather died just FOUR weeks before I was born in 1958 .... He was 67...
In 1958 average UK male life expectancy was...
oooooh 67.5!
shiver! that is spooky!
And you know what? I resemble my father! ( a rather dashing chap actually) who in turn resembled HIS father... (shiver)

And know what?
My mum said ( she generally "dissapproved" of my paternal grandfather) that I had some of the worse traits of my grandad... oooh spooky

Sorry to put it this way I really am.... but...
Sorry girls - if it makes you feel better go ahead - but this" one in one out" thing just don't wash

Where is the population falling?
there was a superb prog by David Attenborough on this week on BBC4 about world population - it was a one off documentary that the BBC tucked away (rumours have it that the BBc regard Attenborough's views on optimum population a bit too non PC) but that is going off topic
In the progr is was mentioned that three major countries which have falling populations are Japan Germany and Russia

I hear we get to 7 billion soon....

But is there actually a population explosion ...as in more babies being born??

or is it that more babies survive and more adults are living longer??

Anyway...going back to OP ...I think I agree with dcmg

There is also the possibility that a population explosion after a death in the family ( about 9 months after) could be due to people being more loving and comforting with each other as a result.

City state of Singapore ...they've appparently been encouraging people to move there

Like where?

Also what about the parts of the world where the population is falling?

What about twins then?

Right... Sorry believers but you are just so wrong.
The chance of someone dying and another person being born on the same day or very close to one another
is the same as the probability of two people sharing the same birthday or having birthdays which are very close*.

Well the maths are by not simple but the answers are surprising...
to sum it up:

To have a greater than 50% chance ( ie more likely than unlikely) that

TWO people in a group share exactly the same date
you only need a group of 23 people
( for "group" read "family circle")

If the dates have a leeway of FOUR days
you only need a group of NINE people!

See the Wikipedia page on " The Birthday Problem"

Here (from that page) some strange "spooky" coincidences

73 Actors have won best male Oscar in that 73 men
there are 6 pairs with the exact same birthday!

61 people have won Oscar for Best Director
with 5 pairs sharing an exact date!

It's got nothing do with souls is the laws of probability.

*( this has intrigued us in the South London bunker as myslef and Doting Grandma have birthdays just 3 days apart and when we first met we went "oooh spooky what are the chances of etc etc" and being us we went and found out)

My niece was born and my grandmother died the same night.

Cried Mishap very moving

Mishap a very moving poem. It tugs at my heartstrings.

That poem is amazing.

Mishap That is so lovely; my Mum died the day before my cousin's baby was born - just circumstance but your poem sums it all up.

By the laws of probability, some babies will be born just after someone has died. Because two events happen around the same time, it does not prove that one causes the other. Still, if it makes you happy to believe this superstition, you are not harming anybody!

Six years ago I was present at birth of my granddaughter and 2 days later my mother died.

Here is a poem I wrote at the time.

Beginning

Blue and slimy my new granddaughter lies in a pool of blood.
My own child gasps and sweats and sighs.
A feeble cry brings the pink blush.
The tiny fists fight the air.
The first hug
The first tear
The first light
The first fear.
Two days later my mother falls asleep,
Abandons breathing
And leaves us.
The last hug
The last tear
The last light
The last fear.
One in, one out, they say
Seeking to cheer.
It is nature’s way
Nature’s balance.
But there are wrinkles in the new pink face,
Madness in the baby’s cry,
Fear in the helplessness
Despair in the sleeping.
An end
In a beginning