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Has anyone else heard of being "Churched" after the birth of a baby.?

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Grumpyoldwoman Sun 04-Sept-11 10:53:28

Following the Baptism thread remined me of this.

When I gave birth to our first daughter in 1972 I spent a week in hospital (as you did then) and when she was about 10 days old I proudly set off with my new baby in her gorgeous coachbuilt Silver Cross pram to visit my mother who lived about half a mile away.

My grandma (who I adored) was staying with my Mum and the excitement I felt when I rang the door bell was immense.

Mum made a fuss of baby and as I manouvered the pram into Mum's front porch ..Grandma had a word with Mum.

What transpired was such a shock and certainly dampened my euphoric mood.

Mum said I couldn't ''come in'' beacause I hadn't been ''churched'' shock

Apparently any woman who had just given birth was ''unclean'' until they had seen a vicar to say some ''special prayers'' with you. Therefore they cannot be allowed into someones house !!!

I couldn't believe what I was hearing and went home in floods of tears. My hubby was furious and although very mild mannered really told my Mum and Gran off and no more was ever said.
I just wondered if any of you had come across this barbaric nonsense.

My daughters were horrified when I told them after they had babies shock!!!

TriciaF Fri 24-Oct-14 14:34:50

If anyone is interested about the origins of this tradition read Leviticus chapter 12.
As Monika says, strange that it has lasted so long.
I can't understand why the waiting period is longer after the birth of a girl, compared with a boy.

Nonu Fri 24-Oct-14 14:19:47

This makes me curious , how DO people find these dormant threads ?
I never seem to !
confused

Monika Fri 24-Oct-14 13:57:17

I just did a google asking the history of Getting Churched and it lead me here. I married a Geordie from North Shields UK. I'm an aussie, and after the birth of our first child his grandmother who just lived around the corner would not come to visit or we could not go to here house until I had been churched...???? I am not religious even though we got married in Christ Church... a Church of England.. Anglican. To please hubbies family.

So yes I went along to the church and the minister spoke some words over me and mentioned that it had to do with being cleansed after the birth....

STRANGE... that was in North Shields 1976. So some oldies back then still believed in that and I just went along not to make waves...

Sonsybesom Thu 07-Nov-13 19:52:50

Interesting, because the unclean symbolism passed me by, I went to church to give thanks for a safe delivery and a healthy baby, it was a happy occasion for me.

Nonu Fri 06-Sept-13 17:53:51

Quite .

smile

Anniebach Fri 06-Sept-13 17:23:27

Penstemon, yes this was at one time the custom for new mothers not to be accepted into homes unless they had been churched but i think for years this had become a superstition. My mother was churched but never told she couldn't enter homes, she too chose it as a small service of thankfulness , so that's my knowledge of Churching of women in the forties, fifties, sixties and seventies , no mention of not entering homes and no suggestion by the Priests that it should be 'done'

thatbags Fri 06-Sept-13 17:23:25

That's what I thought, nonu. Ancient history and all that wink

Nonu Fri 06-Sept-13 17:15:15

Yeah but it was a thing before your time , Bags !

thatbags Fri 06-Sept-13 17:12:28

thought, not though

thatbags Fri 06-Sept-13 17:12:10

Heard about it, yes (though it died out long ago). Thought further about it, nope. Celebrated the births of my children with other loved ones, yes, of course.

Elegran Fri 06-Sept-13 16:16:40

I definitely wasn't.

Galen Fri 06-Sept-13 14:46:16

Can't remember if I was or not!

merlotgran Fri 06-Sept-13 14:42:16

I was in hospital for 10 days after DD1 was born (best holiday I've ever had) grin

One day a vicar appeared in the ward and asked who would like to be churched? I'd heard of the practice and was not interested in the whys or wherefores but I trotted along with a few others because I had nothing else better to do. It was a simple service and I think the words 'blood' and 'cleansed' were probably mentioned but I can't say I felt any better for it.

A simple thanksgiving for a safe delivery would probably have made more of an impact.

I didn't bother with it after my other children were born.

Penstemmon Fri 06-Sept-13 14:14:38

lily soneone earlier was saying they were not allowed ina house because they were 'unclean' from childbirth. I know nothing of any of these practices!

Anniebach Fri 06-Sept-13 14:03:27

I was 'churched' after the birth of our two daughters, 1969 and - 1970. No one suggested I should, I chose to. As a Christian I found it gave me that quiet time to give thanks for our babies. No mention or thoughts of sin , just joy for the blessings of two new little lives.

gracesmum Fri 06-Sept-13 13:59:29

Sorry - Elegtan - just read on to "for a girl child etc"

gracesmum Fri 06-Sept-13 13:58:35

And a mother who has given birth to a female child, I wonder??

I have no problem with the service of thanksgiving. Too many people take childbirth for granted in out developed world and if one is religiously incilined it seems eminently appropriate to register gratitude for a healthy baby and a healthy mother.

Elegran Fri 06-Sept-13 13:36:03

The anglican ceremony is to give thanks for the safe arrival of the child, though it was performed after a still-birth too or if the child had died unbaptised.

"It contains no elements of purification but is related to Jewish practice as noted in Leviticus 12:2-8" . . . " Under Mosaic law as found in the Old Testament, a mother who had given birth to a man-child was considered unclean for seven days; moreover she was to remain for thirty-three days "in the blood of her purification."

For a girl child, it was fourteen days and sixtysix days. In the seven days of a womean's normal menstrual flow, she was also considered unclean, and anything she touched had to be purified (including her man, who could not "lie with her" - euphemism)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churching_of_women
www.enduringword.com/commentaries/0312.htm

Lilygran Fri 06-Sept-13 12:29:50

Where is there anything about being unclean?

Nonu Fri 06-Sept-13 09:45:15

I have heard of this , I myself was not "Churched" !

Penstemmon Fri 06-Sept-13 09:03:02

I can understand a religious act of of thanksgiving having been 'safely delivered' etc but the rest about being unclean is just 'holy men' nonsense! Repressive and awful.

Lilygran Fri 06-Sept-13 08:39:28

This is the actual service from the Book of Common Prayer, 1552. When you think how hazardous childbirth was (sadly, still is in some places) not surprising! users.ox.ac.uk/~mikef/bcp1552.html

floriana Fri 06-Sept-13 02:15:45

Sorry to bring this up again, but was looking up "churching" as my mother did it and was a non-church goer, disliked lots of things about Christianity, but enjoyed having babies....,as one turns into one's mother in some respects,some of the things she said pop into my mind now she is no longer here,
In doing so, I came upon this site and found the unclean topic very interesting.

Jendurham Fri 06-Sept-13 00:30:21

I have just finished reading The White Princess, about the wife of Henry 7th. When she had Arthur and Henry 8th, her mother in law, the Red Queen, made sure she did not come out of confinement until she had been churched. I think it was six weeks. But it was so she could pretend to rule with Henry Tudor for as long as possible.
It happened to me in 1967 when my eldest was born. My mother's cousins would not see me or my son until I had been churched. Their father had been a C of E vicar. When his brother was born two years later, we did not live in the same place, so they did not know I had not been churched. Come to think of it, I still haven't!

Greatnan Thu 05-Sept-13 22:51:54

Nina - if you read the whole thread you will get the full story!