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Hypocrite?

(117 Posts)
Lilygran Mon 01-Oct-12 15:26:59

They don't have to read it - or even keep it!

Mishap Mon 01-Oct-12 14:08:37

I think bags is right - give to some other charity, having explained why you have done so.

I filled a shoebox for Christmas last year for the third world and was a bit concerned to discover that also included in my box would be a bible - I do not like the idea of the gift having strings attached. I knew it was a christian charity and had no problem with that (they do wonderful work); but the inclusion of a bible felt too evangelical/indocrinating to me.

wisewoman Mon 01-Oct-12 13:57:05

If as you say the invitation said if you wanted to donate then an opportunity would be available. You didn't want to donate to that charity so what is the problem?

Ana Mon 01-Oct-12 13:47:43

Just realised that sounds nosy, and perhaps you don't want to say. Sorry.

Ana Mon 01-Oct-12 13:35:31

So what did you do in the end, absent?

absentgrana Mon 01-Oct-12 13:27:06

To be completely fair, the wording on the invitation was politely expressed along the lines of if you would like to give to charity there will be a collection on the evening of the party. I don't think there was any presumption about giving a present; just a statement that he would prefer a donation to charity if you wanted to. I have no problem with the whole thing in principle; it was just unfortunate that the charity didn't meet with my approval and it was not named in advance.

glassortwo Mon 01-Oct-12 12:31:41

bags as usual you have put into words exactly what I was trying to post but so much better. smile

Bags Mon 01-Oct-12 12:24:18

Standing up for your principles is not making a mountain out of a molehill. Any good friends should understand and accept that. There is far too much pressure to do what is superficially polite without any consideration for principle, in my opinion.

Quite apart from anything else, it's presumptive, not to say a bit rude, to expect an automatic present anyway.

A better approach, I feel, is to say that IF anyone wants to give a present, p,ease could they make a donation to THEIR favourite charity. Then everyone is happy and no untoward pressure is put on anyone either.

janeainsworth Mon 01-Oct-12 12:22:12

It sounds a real rave absent. I can't imagine being asked for money like that actually at the party.
A thoughtful host would have put the suggestion on the invitation, and I would have been annoyed as much by the lack of consideration as the lack of choice of charity.
Come on! Are you going to tell us the name of the offending charity grin

Lilygran Mon 01-Oct-12 12:10:48

You could have given a token amount and the rest of what you would have given to a charity of your choice. It seems more than a bit naff to do what your host did especially as seems to be the case, in such a public way that other people knew what everyone had given. Not a hypocrisy, though. Stupidity?

absentgrana Mon 01-Oct-12 11:38:35

I hadn't thought of that. I might have done if I had known what the charity would be in advance, but when it was just anoiunced at the party itself, I didn't have much opportunity to think about it. Even so, would my refusal to fund a charity that is dear to my host's heart but a willingness to donate to one of my choosing look like criticism of him and arrogance on my part? Furthermore, I don't see him very often so either I would have had to discuss this rather uncomfortable matter actually at the party (bit party pooper), probably in front of other guests (many of whom I did not know) or telephoned or e-mailed later. Somehow that looks a bit like making a storm out of a molehill.

Barrow Mon 01-Oct-12 10:12:40

I agree with what others have said. Why would you give to something you disapprove of. Give to a charity you approve of and tell him discreetly later.

Bags Mon 01-Oct-12 10:06:54

I would tell him I disapproved of that charity and why, and tell him which other I had chosen, if any.

JO4 Mon 01-Oct-12 10:02:12

I would have given it to a charity I approved of. And told him I had done so. (Nicely of course)

annodomini Mon 01-Oct-12 09:57:05

I agree with when. Give it to a charity that you believe in.

whenim64 Mon 01-Oct-12 09:35:04

I would have kept quiet and given to a charity I felt ok about absent. smile

absentgrana Mon 01-Oct-12 09:22:52

We recently attended a family party. Our host had informed us that he didn't want presents (it was a big 0), but that there would be a charity collection. The charity turned out to be a Christian one, which would not have been an issue for me, even though I an an atheist, if it had just been Christian Aid or some other general charity. The sole function and raison d'être of the chosen charity, however, is something of which I profoundly disapprove.

My dilemma, albeit a minor one, was should I ignore my own strongly held beliefs and give the "present" that my host had chosen or stick to my convictions and not give anything at all? He has no idea who gave or how much so there was no question of looking mean if I didn't donate.

What would you have done?