Conversations with Jerry and other people I thought were dead

So nice to read the last post on here (Coles)! Why are people so earthbound and cynical? If we,'re not here to learn then what,s the point of anything?

In the "angels" forum, I gave several incidents of how I have seen those I have loved and "lost" as you might say. Even smelling coffee, that my Mum always drank, or her perfume. As a nurse in homes for the elderly I witnessed the soul leave the body at death, and seen beautiful colours around them. After many years of enquiry and experiences, I very much believe we are spirit and come to live in a physical body to learn, to share, to contribute to the welfare of others, to teach, most of all to forgive and love. I believe God is a force, a universal being and loves us all. Blessings to all, Margaret.

I don't believe in mediums. As someone has already said they are either deluded or charlatans.

However, I'm not sure about whether "spirits" try to contact us. When I was seriously ill I saw my father at my bedside (he had been dead some 20 years then). When my grandmother was dying she told me she was happy to go because my grandfather and my uncle had come to show her the way. When a dear friend died I had a dream about her running (she was in a wheelchair for the last months of her life) when I spoke to her she smiled and said not to worry as she was OK now. Since my DH has died there have been many instances where I have thought he was here with me. These may all the result of the brain playing tricks but I think many people get a great deal of comfort from it.

Remember the advice you were given about "psychics" who are " in touch with the other side"?



Always aim to strike a happy medium

The old ones are the best ones!

Now do I agree or not?
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Did I really say that back then? Changed my mind. Load of bollocks.

Who opened that box?

I agree with what jinglbellsfrocks said.

I wouldn't poo poo mediums. I used to work night shifts in a care home. A lady I worked with came into the room to ask me a question. "Don't look round*, she said, " there is a gentleman standing behind you". She went on to describe my grandfather who had been dead for over 30 years. She was very accurate, even the age he was when his hair turned white was correct. I had no idea that she could see 'spirits'. I was amazed. It made me a beleiver.

the dead know nothing! See Ecclesiates 9:5-6 5- For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten. 6Indeed their love, their hate and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun.

It is Satan who wants people to believe they can live on after death - and it is his demons who speak through mediums - the mediums are people selected by demons as being suceptible to allowing themselves to be possessed - probably by the promise of riches or a great sex life?

When mediums speak soemthing taht does seem quite genuine and directly applicable it will be because living in the spirit world they have amazing abilities to rad minds or poke about in our hosues without us knowing - so yes they an know that a lost item is under a sideboard or that we have unlawful possession in the wardrobe, or that a person is having an affair, etc etc.

I too have had experiences that defy logic and which convince me, a very sceptical, critical kind of person, that the dead sometimes communicate with us. Sometimes they intervene in dreams, to tell us something, and when in various fixes of my own making I have asked them for help, the situation has resolved in surprising ways. Yes, there are more things on earth than what we arrogant Madames je sais tout ( sorry, it's what my French friend calls me and may not be grammatically correct) dream of.

When we have lived with and loved one person for many years they become part of who we are. I have met several people who thought they had "seen" a lost loved-one, but who recognised that it was just their mind playing tricks and seeing what they were used to.

A bit like staring at the sun and when you look away you can still see it maybe.

I'm no scientist, I would say that I'm a cynical, fairly logical person.
I think that as humans, many of us, not all, have a deep need to believe in a god/father figure and also an after life of some kind where our loved ones are waiting for us.
NDEs and other 'visions' are part of these needs in my view, and I would never dismiss them.
Even as an athiest, I can recognise that 'need' inside me.

My training was in the Sciences. I taught Mathematics and Science, so I deal in logic. Yet, I have had experiences, associated with grief, which defy logic.
Perhaps these could 'logically' be written off as wishful thinking yet having experienced them personally I am left wondering.

Go Alternative Gran - mysticism, faith, fantasy, visions, pre cognitive dreaming, have been part of life for as long as we know

JessM and Feetlebaum Of course your comments have a validity, and we have all met people like the woman in the hairdressers, although part of me feels that grief is such hell that even a deluded medium or charlatan might help.

Some years ago I met an elderly doctor called Dewi Rees who told me of a study he had done on the effects of bereavement. He had intended to look at things like weight loss, insomnia, depression etc., but had not expected to be told about encounters with dead relatives, he said it was common, but no-one talked about it. No-one was writing about it either, so his study eventually became an MD thesis published in the BMJ and he wrote a wide ranging book on death and bereavement.

I think of such experiences as part of a much wider spectrum NDE's , death bed visions mystical experiences etc. We have a bible full of visions, dreams and prophecies, I am sure they must be common in other religions.

Some things aren't conducive to proof by the usual scientific methods, but they should still be explored, along with a healthy dose of skepticism!

Horatio!

alternativegran if these people were not good at creating a rapport with people they would not make any money out of it, would they.
I was listening to a woman rattling on in the hairdresser about why brand new houses sometimes needed a form of exorcism (from her of course) - "its the lay lines". They have a way of talking that makes it difficult for others to disagree or challenge what they are saying.

I don't think we can write all this stuff off as hocus pocus.

"more things in heaven and earth than this world dreams of....." (or something like that)

Did anyone enjoy Beyond Black (Hilary Mantel). It was one of our bookclub reads, and I loathed it, as did a couple of others in our group, Some loved it, and found it very funny, I found it beyond the pale, frankly. The spirits and mediums were all so unpleasant, like living in a murky underworld I felt.

Feetlebaum's analysis if the two types of mediums, deluded or charlatans, spot on for that book.
Have to add though, that I don't recall my great gran or aunt being either charlatans or deluded. They were impressive, very likeable women in so many ways. I simply followed our family approach, which was they much much loved older relatives, about whom it was generally accepted they were 'a bit eccentric'.

feetlebaum!

There are two kinds of 'medium' - the charlatan and the deluded.

My great grandmother, and great aunt (her daughter) were the last in a long line of mediums in my maternal family. I've heard it said there is a 'fey' gene in the family.

I met a medium over coffee at a conference once, (nothing to do with spiritualism), she wasn't a professional and I liked her, she was a warm and compassionate woman

She said she didn't encourage people to become dependent, her attitude was 'You have had your proof, now its time to move on with your life'

I also saw a BBC documentary on Gordon Smith and thought that he was helping a lot of people through their bereavement.

Who knows if such gifts really exist, but I felt the women I met was genuine.

Golly gosh Absent , I was not aware we were not in agreement about things !!

Of course things have changed !!

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