What do people mean by christian fundamentalist

What didn't I understand about your post Granjura (19.04)
I think I was quite clear that understanding is not the issue, when one says " now follow that", but am afraid you perhaps are not familiar with the idiom?

Loopy, my post was not addressed to you specifically...

Why not discuss ancestry here, if it illustrates the OP, eg religious fundamentalism and variations, and how we react to them- possibly due to our ancestry.

Didn't mean to tell you more about my family history- lol- but here goes. I only discovered, by chance, as DD1 worked for a Canadian boss for 1 year- and only found out he has the same family name as me, and is from the same area, and also immigrated at the age of 19.

He sent her some info about the family, and I was truly amazed to find out we were Huguenots on my father's side, who had had to escape in order to keep their Protestant Faith. And with what happened to my parents when they fell in love... almost akin to civil war- because dad was Catholic.... after all that... it did make me wonder.

And last year I bought a novel about the history of the Menonites in Switzerland- very similar in many ways- who also had to escape to the ... Catholic Jura, from the persecution of the ... Protestants from Bern The Menonites were a strict protestant sect- perhaps like the Puritans, as compard to the Anglicans, say). It is fascinating, truly. And just shows how fluid and bizarre religion can be over generations and centuries.

Probably not, apologies to all

Is this the right thread for discussing one's ancestry, though?

Researching your descendants is fascinating. Mine are pretty mundane but we've discovered that my paternal great-great grandparents were lock keepers and my mother's G-g GPs were bargees, both in Seend, Wiltshire in one census, such a coincidence.

Apropos of nothing really, but when a child, adults called Christmas tree ornaments Wesleybobs, anyone got any idea as to why?This was in Yorkshire.Must have something to do with religion, or lack of it.

I still think you could find a happier subject to research. But it's not my business.

Byeee!

Now who is your latest post to? Who is researching what?

I am researching the history of my Huguenots ancestors, who escaped the persecution, torture and murder by Catholics because of their Protestant faith- and who turned Catholics a few generations later. Fascinating stuff and a long was ago- so noboby will get hurt by my research. The hurt and pain of my parents' generation and OH's is still very fresh, although they have all passed away now. But we still grieve for what they went through- no need to research that- it is only too clear.

No good quoting French at me.

Oh right!

I do apologize Jingl, the comment was meant for Soutra who didn't seem to understand my post, and understands French. I am sorry.

I think you ought to leave some of this stuff alone. Stop researching. It won't do you any good.

Granjura "Next time I'll write in French jingl- just to make sure it is perfectly clear, ok, lol ;)"

I don't understand. What was that in response to?

granjura having caught up on your posts I am truly moved by your family and your father's experiences.

Having been a RC convent schoolgirl I well remember being labelled a 'Non-Catholic' and pretty much that made you beyond redemption. I also remember RCs being excommunicated for marrying outside the RC church - several school friends were viewed by the nuns with a degree of pity as the 'products of a sinning union' which was shocking to me.

Conversely DS (CofE) married my DDIL (RC) in Padua Cathedral 8 years ago and was welcomed, as the Bishop said 'like a son' by both her priest here and the lovely Bishop of Padua. The subject of him not being RC was no bar at all, he had to attend a Preparation for Marriage course and to our amusement was given a book called 'How to survive marriage to a Catholic'!

Certainly I agree that their generation is usually far more tolerant than my parents generation.

Dad was very hurt, perhaps even very angry- I never had a chance to ever talk to him about it. But he was angry and hurt about the bigots - not with God I think. I cannot either ascertain to what extent it was also fear- when you grow up with the 'do exactly as we say or burn in hell forever' kind ofg Catholciism, I think it may well remain with you forever.

Strangely enough, we are the only ones in good contact with all the different parts of our family, be they atheist, CofE, Catholics or Muslims- and that is probably because we do NOT belong to any of them. The younger generation certainly is much more tolerant and open, and accepting of our non-faith (apart from one devout Catholic cousin- who went berserk when we cremated my dad, AS PER HIS OWN WISHES - as he needed his body to have any chance of going to heaven, especially as he sinned against the CAtholic Church by marrying my mother- I don't see much of her !!!!).

On Friday there will be the big annual dinner of the Oecumenical group here at our house- they are great people (we have the old Parish room at the back which we loan them for free). Might even join them for pud and a glass of wine.

It is interesting, granjura that while you speak of tolerance of your multi-faith and multi-denomination extended family, you judge religions by the bad experiences of the past. From what you say, your father remained a devout Catholic all his life in spite of being treated harshly by the Church. I'm with Nelliemoser on this.

Sadly, they too often go together in my experience- although my many Christian of several denominations, and Muslim friends of family- generally are not in this generation (they certainly were in the past few!)

Religion is not a divider of people. It's people's bigotry you have to blame.

Neither do I Anno- was responding to Petallus's post. The most virulent atheists I know were sent to Catholic boarding school - they never recovered (although I do not think either were sexually abused btw). My fil also was, due to the Dutch Reformed Church being the Church of the apartheid perpetrators, and his Muslim upbringing- he hated both with a vengeance (after being a doctor on the battle fields during WW2 too).

I really don't think Richard Dawkins is one of those who have suffered persecution for his unbelief.

Some people can only feel they belong by excluding or attacking others.

I do wonder though- whether those atheist who are so virulent, are not those who have suffered greatly in the past from all sorts of abuse or extreme intolerance, from religious people or perhaps 'religion'? Does not excuse it, but it might make it more understandable.

So can I, petallus. Although I am a Humanist, I do sometimes feel queasy at the level of intolerance shown on the Dawkins Face Book page.