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Luckygirl Wed 04-Nov-15 11:37:31

On Woman's Hour this morning an American lady called Brene Brown said: "For me there is a very simple equation. Faith minus vulnerability and mystery is not faith. So, if you have all the answers and your are certain, don't call it faith. For me, my faith is all about asking questions and trying to make sense of it."

Interesting - and a refreshing break from the didactic statements that have been swimming around on other threads.

Anniebach Wed 04-Nov-15 11:54:24

Not sure about this Luckygirl, no way do I have all the answers and accepted many years ago I never would , I question often why things happen, I question - what would Jesus want me to do/say, but I am certain God loves me.

Luckygirl Wed 04-Nov-15 11:57:05

I think that sounds a bit like what this lady was saying Annie.

Anniebach Wed 04-Nov-15 12:04:32

Oh, so I am not as confused as I thought Luckygirl . I often think of a great aunt who when I asked questions replied - there is only one who can answer that and he isn't answerable to anyone . Now I have reached her age I suspect what she really meant was - I don't know , because I would keep asking questions and it was her way of shutting me up grin

soontobe Wed 04-Nov-15 13:38:21

I cant see anything wrong at all with having faith and asking questions. Who is going to disagree with that?

feetlebaum Sun 08-Nov-15 14:44:42

Depends on the questions... I was told that doubt was 'a sin'..

soontobe Sun 08-Nov-15 15:15:39

The disciple Thomas was not told he had sinned when he wanted evidence.

Lilygran Sun 08-Nov-15 15:18:22

Who said doubt was a sin?

feetlebaum Sun 08-Nov-15 16:02:43

It didn't do Thomas much good, did it? It was the Congregationalist minister, actually. I suppose doubting is the opposite of 'having faith'.

soontobe Sun 08-Nov-15 16:07:05

Do you mean doubt as in when someone is not yet a Christian.

Or doubt when someone already is?

Thomas is still a disciple so he hasnt done too badly!

TriciaF Sun 08-Nov-15 16:28:30

For anyone who is interested in religion, for or against, I recommend reading The Sunflower by Simon Weisenthal.
It's about a moral dilemma during the Holocaust, followed by comments from people of different faiths, and no faith.
One comment, relative to this thread, is that during the Holocaust "God has gone on vacation."

Luckygirl Sun 08-Nov-15 16:41:14

I have just dwnloaded this onto my kindle - thanks for the recommendation Tricia - it follows on from another thread where there was some disagreement about the nature of evil and whether a person can be intrinsically evil - which I do not believe.

Smileless2012 Sun 08-Nov-15 22:17:01

Years ago I read several of Simon Weisenthal's books. In one he was recounting the execution of several concentration camp inmates for theft, as as example to the others. I can't remember if this was a conversation he had or one he overheard.

One of the condemned was not more than a boy and as he was 'dancing at the end of the rope' as Weisenthal's book described it, another inmate asked 'where is your God now' and the reply he was given was 'he's there, on the end of that rope'.

TwiceAsNice Sun 08-Nov-15 22:47:33

Many years ago on television Malcolm Muggerige who was a well known Chrsitian was was asked by a very supercilious interviewer why he believed in God and Jesus Christ.
" Oh but I don't believe he said" cue amazed expression on interviewers face
After a pause Malcolm said " I don't believe I know"
I think that sums up very simply what true Christians try to say, you don't have to prove your faith to anyone you just know that Jesus Christ exists because you have met him

Ana Sun 08-Nov-15 22:51:43

Met him? When? How? I don't think that's a convincing argument.

Anniebach Sun 08-Nov-15 22:57:01

I don't think God loves me, I know God loves me

TwiceAsNice Sun 08-Nov-15 22:57:31

You can feel the presence of someone even if you can't see them. i have had personal experiences spiritually which I am not necessarily willing to discuss on a public forum but they were very real to me the most amazing happening after the death of my son . As I said I know what I believe and I don't have to prove a faith to other people it's mine!

feetlebaum Sun 15-Nov-15 09:45:40

... and as I have said before, Aristotle just KNEW that women had fewer teeth than men - he didn't need to check.

Muggeridge was something of a hypocrite, I think. A 'serial groper' according to his niece.