From the Humanist Association - discuss

As I understand it TFTD has worked just fine for years, if you listened to it you would know it is not all faith talk . Suppose the humanist lot who seem to have mislaid tolerance will demand a take over of the pulpits next.

I have always had much respect for the humanist society until this thread , I dislike aggression

Does anyone else remember with great pleasure the contributions to Thought for the Day by the inimitable Rabbi Lionel Blue?

Well said Eloethan

Anniebach the only aggresive posts are your own ones.

You would say that Rosesarered, wrong but that never stops you

.annodomini, I adored Lionel Blue, such gentleness and humility plus a great sense of humour , a lovely man

Joan Isn't there a difference between RC schools in Australia and Cof E (and other religious) schools in England though? I thought RC schools in Australia were fee-paying (fees kept quite low) - do you know who bears the main cost, the RC church or the State?

I only say it because it's true.You are obviously feeling so angry and defensive because some don't agree with faith schools, but why?It's not just Christian faith schools some don't agree with but all faith schools.As they are not likely to be abandoned any time soon, no need for you to feel threatened by others who don't agree with you.Nobody is coming to drag you out of church either, nobody is being critical of Christianity on this thread, simply talking about mixing faith with education.we should be able to talk about it without accusations of 'ranting'.

Rosesarered, I do think you should find a new hobby, your ability to believe you are all knowing on the thoughts of others is nil

I rest my case!

To be fair, rosesarered it was the connection with the Established church, bishops in the Lords, plus the perceived elitism ("Prep schools") the devious ways by which some people cheat or lie to get their children into Church schools and the question of church attendance -wrongly equated with belief - which provided the thrust of the argument. The reference to "medieval" was not aimed at Muslim faith schools was it?
Of course not. It is unacceptable to criticise religious minorities or ethnic groups, we have laws about that, but yet perfectly acceptable to take a pop at those of us who have a Christian faith, especially the Anglican communion and may want our DC or DGC to enjoy what we think valuable in their schooling.

No, there has not been a call for "Thought for the day" to be abolished - but there has been one to have an occasional contribution from someone who is not religious. They are also capable of reflective thought and insightful comment.

Here is one response to that:-

"Of course "non-religious" voices should be able to share the Thought for the Day slot. To deny them is to deny that God is in all human experience - which would, of course, be nonsense.
Andrew Allcock (Reverend), Telford "

I have a Christian faith, but still think that all state schools should be secular,
And that includes Muslim schools.
This is not an attack on Christianity, or any other faith.
It's a viewpoint, and we all have them.No need for any poster to get defensive.

What's your definition of defensive, roses?
Of course there is a need for posters to get defensive if they disagree with you. Strange thing to say.

No criticism of the Christian faith in this thread ?

When AOL had their boards I belonged to a forum which discussed the monarchy . One poster was 100% sure a live broadcast on the Beeb showed a man standing and making certain comments , when I said no that man was sitting behind a desk the reply was - he was standing , Wales must have seen a different broadcast - it was live . I have since accepted there are none so blind as those who do not wish to see, none so deaf as those who do not wish to hear, I think twisting of posts is the abbreviated version of this

Rosesarered has view points, others are defensive

Haven't we been talking about state schools all along? Perhaps that wasn't clear to anyone who thought that NO faith schools would be allowed - that is just not possible in a democracy.

Those schools do need to be inspected exactly as other schools are inspected though. As it is, they can choose to have inspectors from their own organisations. That is not equality.

Not me that's getting knickers in a twist about it ab
It's called a debate, something that maybe you never did at school.

Why not have their own TFTD

Now we do agree wholeheartedly here, as it has happened throughout the thread:

I have since accepted there are none so blind as those who do not wish to see, none so deaf as those who do not wish to hear, I think twisting of posts is the abbreviated version of this

sadly, tragically even. In French we call it 'un dialogue de sourds' - a dialogue between deaf people. Keeping off the thread for now- but many points have made made to which I will respond at some point. Alea, your constant attacks are becoming tiresome and so obvious to others too. As has been said so often 'play the ball, not the person'.

my definition of defensive Djen since you ask, is saying that posters are 'ranting' when they merely give their opposing opinions.

I can't see any harm at all in a school having a Christian ethos. "Love God and Love thy neighbour as yourself". The two commandments Jesus gave. Where's the harm in that?

And it was really sweet a couple of years back, seeing my youngest grandson squeezing his eyes shut and praying to "Please God" for Murray to win Wimbledon with his final serve!

In the meantime do Google 'parents cheating to get their children in the school of their choice' - you will find 100s of articles to that effect. Of course in villages that can't happen- but in town, it happens all the time, and has been for a long time- excellent post to that effect Penstemmon. Thinking about 2 primary schools in the town I used to live- this was as clear as a bell, including the shenanigans and the teaching towards the Private Grammar school entrance exams- still does now (I know several young parents with children at both the schools).

yes, TFTD should include non religious philosophical thought as well.

May I suggest you practice what you preach Granjura , and again this is a discussion on schooling in the UK . Sorry but I think you have a problem , on another thread which was for an individual to say if they had lost their faith - no particular faith mentioned - up you pop with a lecture on how faiths in Switzerland get along just fine unlike a country close to you, what on earth that had to do with your personal loss / lack of faith is puzzling