From the Humanist Association - discuss

I have read through all 17 pages of this thread and felt my blood pressure soar yet again at what I think was an unbalanced, aggressive and inflammatory broadside on a range of aspects of the established church in England, and by sweeping generalised extension, the Church of Scotland and of Wales from Justin Welby to little village C of E primary schools , I have at last found my comment and it was in response to a suggestion that Switzerland was to be emulated as an evumenical example unlike England which was still mired in the religious persecution of Henry VIII!
As I said and it was 4 months ago , we do not do wars of religion in England any more and yes, you are right, of course you could argue that that is what ISIL et al are conducting, but IMHO that is more about politics than religion.
However........I do not want to get this whole argy bargy going again! So I will just agree and hope the whole Cof E bashing is given a bit of a rest now

Alea you wrote . "Oh and hadn't you noticed there are no religious wars these days"
I guess you were just thinking of Christianity.

Please don't be upset by my comment. It was meant to be semi lighthearted.

Once England severs the already tenuous connection between church and state and we become a secular country, the influence of the majority will potentially have more influence, - and that majority in terms of being actively religious, are the Moslems, who will also grow more rapidly due to a higher birth rate.

I hasten to add I have nothing against moderate moslems.

I seem to be taken to task by starbird (today 18.13) but have no idea what for.
Just asking

what?

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What did I say?

#confusedandbewilderedmaybejustforgetful.

Don't get your connection starbird, I am not aware I had made any comment about Isis etc.
I was under the impression this thread was about the disestablishment or not of the Church of England. But as it is a 17-page long thread, perhaps you could remind me of my comment?

Alea I would describe ISIS and Al Queda as fighting a religious war, at least in their eyes.

Back to the question, I agree that the church should be disestablished. Apart from anything else this would release the church from compromising its beliefs to suit present day morals (or lack of depending on your viewpoint). It would also mean that the Queen and her successors (assuming the monarchy continues) would no longer need to be head of the church, and would be free to marry into another religion - having a Moslem mayor would be nothing compared to a Moslem consort or even future King or Queen!

Oh. I see.

Looking for contentious issues perhaps?

Thank you obieone , we are on the same wavelength

Would you be kind enough to re-phrase thise, please

' If you think there is one,I dont think you are allowed to do what you are doing granjura?'

as I truly do not understand what you meant to say. Thanks.

Cant see the problem. If you think there is one,I dont think you are allowed to do what you are doing granjura?

Quite a few new posters have 'just appeared' today?

When I was at school we had assembly and prayers were included they don't have this now so perhaps that's why there are less Christians if they are not taught it at school or at home.

We can Penstammon, we certaintly can agree on that

I know where the windsors worship when in Scotland,

Well Annieb- they could also move to the modern age and move away from the wars of religions ever since henry VIII- ans work together- ecumenically, as they do here- and finally come to the sensible conclusion that Christians still being so divided will hasten their demise
I am trying really hard to resist saying "Don't be silly" but that's been said before.

You totally fail to recognise the progress of ecumenism in this country. Oh and hadn't you noticed there are no religious wars these days (and in the bad old days when there were, I would urge you to look at Mainland Europe for how to do a really good religious war) and don't bring NI into it, that has an awful lot more to do with politics and history than religion.
Finally on what do you base "Christians being so so divided will hasten their demise"???

(Quelqu'un exagère, à mon avis.)
You started a thread on the disestablishment of the Church of England, why not stick to it?

And. incidentally, Princess Anne, as a divorcée couldn't get married in the C of E so she went and got quietly married at Crathie Kirk.

Anniebach, you are wrong to state that HM doesn't worship in any church other than the C of E. When she is resident at Balmoral, she worships at Crathie Church which is C of S and has many connections with the royal family since the time of Victoria.

Annie we can at least agree that we are not happy about the HoL and that neither have the energy for explaining exactly why or how annoyed we are!

Really Granjura, you must be the only country where Jews hold a service in a Christian church . There is no war of religion in this country, stopped ages ago, good Friday's the RC, baptist, Methodists, Anglican carry a cross through town together. It would not be possible for Jews to hold a service in an Anglican Church , the reserved sacrament -blood of Christ - is always there ready should it be needed urgently , not a war , just respect for all faiths , we left the fifties a long time ago, here we hold prayer groups and bible study in homes and several churches are involved

Penstemmon, let's not even think about it , brings on an almost uncontrollable rage and I have not the energy at the moment for almost uncontrollable rage

Well Annieb- they could also move to the modern age and move away from the wars of religions ever since henry VIII- ans work together- ecumenically, as they do here- and finally come to the sensible conclusion that Christians still being so divided will hasten their demise.

Isn't it about time?

Nor me please!