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Do you believe in angels

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practical Mon 30-May-16 18:51:25

If you do what would you say is a sign any angels are near?

Disgruntled Mon 06-Jun-16 07:58:41

I'm really wary about posting this, but yes, I do, cos I've seen them. I used to be the most cynical person in the world, but have been changing. I work with energies (Reiki and Seichem) and the first time I saw one I was gobsmacked, awed, thrilled, amazed. It/he was huge and I said to the client "Do you have a dangerous job?" He said "Yes, I clear asbestos from buildings, and I drive like a f**** lunatic" "Oh!" says I, "I think your Guardian Angel is on red alert."
More recently I do ask for help from my parking angel, my driving angel and my directions angel. They all help.

marmar01 Sun 05-Jun-16 22:40:51

yes i believe in angels and fairy's.( i have regularly found 20 pence pieces in strange places and i feel sure its a sign)

practical Sun 05-Jun-16 22:35:00

Cherrytree I can remember Gloria saying about parking angels but until you said I couldn't remember who said it but she did say it's ok to ask. They used to have a woman on this morning who could see the angels of people I think it was the woman from Ireland.

Cherrytree59 Sun 05-Jun-16 17:40:51

Yes pracitcal it was Gloria Huniford talking about her daughter and Angels.
She mentioned that she had a Parking Angel.
One very fraught day I did what Gloria said and I asked my angel for help. He/she duly obliged.
I said 'Thank you very much Angel'
My angel never fails me in a parking situation I always get a space.
If I'm out with my DH, Sister or DD they always ask me if I've got my Parking Angel with me !
I do feel a bit mercenary for asking an Angel for such a trivial thing.
But I always say Thank you

obieone Sun 05-Jun-16 17:21:53

As far as I know.

obieone Sun 05-Jun-16 17:21:20

Yes, but no personal experience.

granjura Sun 05-Jun-16 17:11:04

Nelliemoser- sorry missed your earlier post.

Yes, it is. No it isn't. Unless like Van Gogh you drunk it by the litre with turps... as he did.

It's a long story, but absinthe was banned because of a conspiracy by the wine growers.

rosesarered Sun 05-Jun-16 10:29:28

Exactly Elegran

Elegran Sun 05-Jun-16 09:43:50

I guess it does, but the evidence of the author of the fictional story which was taken up as truth is an even better proof. It provides a realistic beginning for the legend at a time when knowledge of how badly the war was going was just starting to be realised, and this kind of "angels are looking out for our boys" provided some comfort.

I think that when things are stressful, people WANT there to be a source of support and comfort - so they see one.

practical Sun 05-Jun-16 09:31:23

my granddad died in the war so no information there. My great uncle who had moved to Canada died in the war as well.
I guess being as your granddad was there and knew nothing of it proves that is a fiction story then Elegran

thatbags Sun 05-Jun-16 09:08:55

I think not speaking of the horrors of trench warfare is how many soldiers coped in later life. My great uncle, a native of Addingham in Yorkshire, was restless as a young man and wanted to travel and see foreign parts. After his time in the trenches he always said in his dry Yorkshire way that he realised quiet old Addingham "weren't so bad". He had no inclination to travel for the rest of his life.

Elegran Sun 05-Jun-16 08:54:10

I think a lot of us in our seventies had grandfathers who fought in the first world war, including at the battle of Mons. Mine wouldn't speak much about what he saw and experienced in Flanders - it was all too raw.

Elegran Sun 05-Jun-16 08:50:54

Grandfather said that he only heard about it afterwards, and not from any of his mates. I suppose it is just possible that some may have seen them but didn't like to say so in case they were thought to be a bit mad, but given that author Arthur Machen published a fictional story which he himself was surprised to see "took off" as real, I don't think they did. I suspect that they were fully occupied with trying to fight off the German attack and had no time to look up for angels.

On withdrawing - the British troops fought bravely, were heavily outnumbered and suffered heavy casualties and, being outflanked, were forced into rapid retreat the next day.

practical Sat 04-Jun-16 22:09:10

Elegran did some of your grandfathers troop say they saw them or do you mean withdraw in the face of superior numbers in the german army ? I am interested that someone you knew was there

Elegran Sat 04-Jun-16 18:04:32

All I knew was that it was fiction until I searched the net for information - WW1 soldiers who were actually there at Mons, like my grandfather for instance, denied ever seeing any angels but remembered very clearly having to withdraw in the face of superior numbers.

I think the author's account of being asked for his sources, even after stating categorically that it was fiction, is a measure of how strong a hold a legend can take when it describes what people WANT to be true.

If you search for information on a subject, and trace a story back to the source, you stand a better chance of proving or disproving it than you do by just firing "Tis!" and "Tisn't!" back and forth.

rosesarered Sat 04-Jun-16 16:42:48

Interesting Elegran I knew that the Mons angel was a fiction, but didn't know the source of it.

Elegran Sat 04-Jun-16 16:22:38

If you mean the angel of Mons, practical the story is a perfect example of how legends are born and become "truth" when people want and need to believe in them in times of stress.

On 22–23 August 1914, the first major engagement of the British Expeditionary Force in the First World War occurred at the Battle of Mons. Advancing German forces were thrown back by heavily outnumbered British troops, who suffered heavy casualties and, being outflanked, were forced into rapid retreat the next day. The retreat and the battle were rapidly perceived by the British public as being a key moment in the war. Despite the censorship going on in Britain at the time, this battle was the first indication the British public had that defeating Germany would not be as easy as some had thought.

On 29 September 1914 Welsh author Arthur Machen published a short story entitled "The Bowmen" in the London newspaper The Evening News, inspired by accounts that he had read of the fighting at Mons and an idea he had had soon after the battle. He set his story at the time of the retreat from the Battle of Mons in August 1914. The story described phantom bowmen from the Battle of Agincourt summoned by a soldier calling on St. George, destroying a German host.

Machen's story was not, however, labelled as fiction

A month or two later Machen received requests from the editors of parish magazines to reprint the story, which were granted. In the introduction to The Bowmen and Other Legends of the War (1915) Machen relates that an unnamed priest, the editor of one of these magazines, subsequently wrote to him asking if he would allow the story to be reprinted in pamphlet form, and if he would write a short preface giving sources for the story. Machen replied that they were welcome to reprint but he could not give any sources for the story since he had none. The priest replied that Machen must be mistaken, that the "facts" of the story must be true, and that Machen had just elaborated on a true account.

As Machen later said:
"It seemed that my light fiction had been accepted by the congregation of this particular church as the solidest of facts; and it was then that it began to dawn on me that if I had failed in the art of letters, I had succeeded, unwittingly, in the art of deceit. This happened, I should think, some time in April, and the snowball of rumour that was then set rolling has been rolling ever since, growing bigger and bigger, till it is now swollen to a monstrous size."
"— Arthur Machen, Introduction to The Bowmen and Other Legends of the War"

Around that time variations of the story began to appear, told as authentic histories, including an account that told how the corpses of German soldiers had been found on the battlefield with arrow wounds.

In "The Bowmen" Machen's soldier saw "a long line of shapes, with a shining about them." A Mr. A.P. Sinnett, writing in the Occult Review, stated that "those who could see said they saw 'a row of shining beings' between the two armies." This led Machen to suggest that the bowmen of his story had become the Angels of Mons

practical Sat 04-Jun-16 15:56:26

roses people have seen angels a magazine I have each month often state it on the letters page.
I cant find where I saw a site that was on about the 1st world war where a whole army group saw a host of them in the sky and apparently the germans saw them and although they were winning that battle they turned and ran.
The feather thing is about people asking for a sign then seeing a white feather so I think it's when it's something like that rather than just spotting them in the street

rosesarered Sat 04-Jun-16 15:07:43

Why should a sign be a feather? Wouldn't that be from a passing pigeon?Nobody can prove that angels exist ( or do not exist) but even if they do, and are entirely invisible, since nobody has ever seen one, why on earth would they have wings like birds?
This only came about ( portraying angels, cherubs, with wings) in the Middle Ages, when people assumed this was how they got about between the Heavens and the Earth.

practical Sat 04-Jun-16 14:49:13

Anniebach have you read any of the Betty Shine books she was a healer and did distant healing?

practical Sat 04-Jun-16 14:47:46

Cherrytree did you see that on TV where Gloria Hunniford said about the parking angel, and has it worked for you?

Cherrytree59 Thu 02-Jun-16 21:30:28

Yes!
My dad definitely had an Angel on his shoulder!

I have a parking angel!

Ceesnan Thu 02-Jun-16 20:46:14

No, but it's not surprising as I don't go for the "God" bit either.

practical Thu 02-Jun-16 20:06:08

There are a lot of charlatans around but if buying a book just look through it to see if it 'clicks' with you
If your gut feeling feels good with it the least you have got is a book you will find interesting. I have had a lot of junk books because I belonged to a book club and the little write up on each book seemed interesting then when the book was delivered I found they had done a write up of the only interesting bit in the book

Anniebach Wed 01-Jun-16 23:37:06

Many Jamila, books, Angel cards etc. What concerns me about the books are the claims one only has the Angels for what one wants and the Angels provide.