Will the Catholic Church be damaged by yesterday's wedding at Westminster Cathedral?

What are the implications for the children from previous mariages and/or relationships? From the pov of inheritance, and more.

trisher

What this seems to mean is that a man (or even a woman I suppose) could conduct several marriages in non-faith or religions other than Catholic, have children in those marriages, then as long as the person they choose to have a new relationship with is Catholic and has never been married, they can have a church wedding.
Makes a mockery of the whole thing doesn't it?

If the rule applied equally to all Catholics but I can assure you it doesn't.

trisher I mentioned annulment because that is the only way that a RC married in a RC church can marry again in a RC church unless of course the spouse is dead. Pre 2015 it could only be done via the Vatican and it made a lot of money for the church. As to an abusive relationship, I think there are some RCs who would consider it irreligious to divorce even an abusive spouse. I try not to be judgmental about the mistakes that people make in life, I've made enough of my own. As I've said, I am not a fan of BJ but I wish him well with his third wife.

The Roman Catholic church is far bigger worldwide than to be damaged or even rocked slightly by one divorced man, whether lapsed or non-Catholic, marrying a Catholic woman in a Catholic place of worship. We don't know what form of ceremony it was, perhaps they married a few days previously and it may not even have been a marriage but a blessing.

foxie48

trisher

What this seems to mean is that a man (or even a woman I suppose) could conduct several marriages in non-faith or religions other than Catholic, have children in those marriages, then as long as the person they choose to have a new relationship with is Catholic and has never been married, they can have a church wedding.
Makes a mockery of the whole thing doesn't it?

Well it seems a lot more realistic than annulment, leaving people in unhappy and possibly abusive marriages and preventing people from taking communion. I'd say it was a step in the right direction. It seems that in the Catholic church someone can commit a terrible crime, ask for forgiveness and they are treated with compassion. Someone can marry the wrong person in complete faith and are denied the opportunity of moving on with the blessing of the church. Doesn't sound very fairto me but are we just having a go because it's BJ?

foxie48 How would annulment work when there are children? No one is saying anyone should stay in an abusive marriage. But a third marriage? In church?
Are the vows made then flexible? I've no objection to anyone finishing a relationship and finding a new partner and marrying them. I just don't understand how the vows made can be made more than once in a church., and why the vows made in another church cn be ignored.

Considerably less damaged by this event than by the actions of many of its trusted priests over the years.......

Totally agree with MerylStreep and Mattsmum2.

trisher

What this seems to mean is that a man (or even a woman I suppose) could conduct several marriages in non-faith or religions other than Catholic, have children in those marriages, then as long as the person they choose to have a new relationship with is Catholic and has never been married, they can have a church wedding.
Makes a mockery of the whole thing doesn't it?

Well it seems a lot more realistic than annulment, leaving people in unhappy and possibly abusive marriages and preventing people from taking communion. I'd say it was a step in the right direction. It seems that in the Catholic church someone can commit a terrible crime, ask for forgiveness and they are treated with compassion. Someone can marry the wrong person in complete faith and are denied the opportunity of moving on with the blessing of the church. Doesn't sound very fairto me but are we just having a go because it's BJ?

What this seems to mean is that a man (or even a woman I suppose) could conduct several marriages in non-faith or religions other than Catholic, have children in those marriages, then as long as the person they choose to have a new relationship with is Catholic and has never been married, they can have a church wedding.
Makes a mockery of the whole thing doesn't it?

Its drip drip though isn't it. Hopefully it will mean all churches pronouncements on morality and their involvement in education will end. Hopefully each little drip leads to that.

I am with you on that.

I am governor at a non-aligned primary school - the children are of course taught about religions - quite right. But Christianity gets the lion's share and the vicar is always bobbing in and out. Does not seem right to me.

The idea of Boris being a catholic is laughable.....he does not abide by even the most basic of Christian principles, let alone the more stringent rules of catholicism.

LullyDully

(Just a thought; the marriage of Henry viii and Ann Boleyn may have had more affect on the Catholic Church than that of Boris and Carrie.)

Indeed LullyDully. I’m sure you’re right.

Its drip drip though isn't it. Hopefully it will mean all churches pronouncements on morality and their involvement in education will end. Hopefully each little drip leads to that.

Galaxy

It's interesting that people are getting agitated about it being discussed

That's because I can think of several things at once but I can assure you it's not this which is making me agitated - this is a bit of light relief!

Kali2

I certainly hope many Catholics will write to Oramus, the Magazine for Westminster Cathedral, and His eminence Nicholls who is in charge and probably made the decision.

Are you Catholic Kali2?
You sound very upset by this, but, as I and others have said, this scarcely makes a ripple compared to some of the dreadful scandals which the Catholic church has survived.

It's interesting that people are getting agitated about it being discussed

Good grief!

Looking at the Catholic church and all the scandals it has survived over centuries, this is barely a blip on the radar!

Tomorrow's fish and chip paper as another poster said.

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Because they impact on peoples lives and are being taught to children in schools.

Talullah

It's been explained fairly well why they were allowed to marry in church. Church weddings have been falling in popularity for decades now. Maybe it's time to stop worrying about previous marriages. As for "illegitimate" children. I thought those days were long gone. Birth certificates used to list "illegitimate", "bastard child' of whoever. Surely it's good that we've moved on from that.

On Call the Midwife last night it said that 11% of babies born in 60s London were "illegitimate".
The Catholic sister expressed horror at the term, saying the order did not want to part of that shaming.
60 years later we have moved on for good.

To be honest, I don’t think most people care one way or another whether they got married in a Catholic Church or whether they got married at all.

It always puzzles me how people get so worked up and dogmatic about manmade “rules” in religion and completely ignore the central truths that should guide their lives.

It's been explained fairly well why they were allowed to marry in church. Church weddings have been falling in popularity for decades now. Maybe it's time to stop worrying about previous marriages. As for "illegitimate" children. I thought those days were long gone. Birth certificates used to list "illegitimate", "bastard child' of whoever. Surely it's good that we've moved on from that.

It is all sophistry. Perfectly ridiculous.

Boris's latest marriage in a RC cathedral shows the Catholic Church disrespects Boris's previous two marriages.

The Catholic Church once again protects itself and its dogma .

foxie48

I understand that as BJ's previous marriages x 2 were not in a Catholic church, they are not recognised by the Catholich church. Boris was baptised as a Catholic but became Anglican at Eton, he's since been taking instruction with Carrie prior to the marriage so has presumably become Catholic again but actually doesn't need to. Carrie is unmarried and a Catholic and BJ is legally free to marry. What's the problem?

The problem is that many Catholics who had previously married in a civil ceremony or another church have been refused permission to marry. I don't think it is that difficult to understand why they might not be happy that it is one rule for Johnson and another rule for them.

seems to me you pick and choose
thats how it often is. no problem

Peasblossom

If people think they’ve been hurt in the past by a rigid approach, surely they’d be glad to see things had changed.

If they changed for everyone. Changing the rules for a serial liar/adulterer but not for people who were the innocent party in a divorce does not sit well with many people.