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Will the Catholic Church be damaged by yesterday's wedding at Westminster Cathedral?

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Kali2 Sun 30-May-21 15:15:15

How do you feel about this?

I think yes.

foxie48 Mon 31-May-21 08:55:30

I understand that as BJ's previous marriages x 2 were not in a Catholic church, they are not recognised by the Catholich church. Boris was baptised as a Catholic but became Anglican at Eton, he's since been taking instruction with Carrie prior to the marriage so has presumably become Catholic again but actually doesn't need to. Carrie is unmarried and a Catholic and BJ is legally free to marry. What's the problem?

Kali2 Mon 31-May-21 08:53:37

There are Constitutional implications too. Another thread started on the subject.

Daisymae Mon 31-May-21 08:51:10

A Catholic priest is quoted in one of the papers saying 'its one rule for the rich'. Quite.

fairfraise Mon 31-May-21 08:25:13

That's very true.

LullyDully Mon 31-May-21 08:21:15

(Just a thought; the marriage of Henry viii and Ann Boleyn may have had more affect on the Catholic Church than that of Boris and Carrie.)

Fennel Sun 30-May-21 20:39:14

And amen from me.

3nanny6 Sun 30-May-21 19:52:20

As a practicing Catholic I do not think the Catholic church will be damaged by yesterdays wedding. The church has survived more than a high profile wedding which happened yesterday.

Carrie is a baptized Catholic and has never been married, they have been having Catholic instruction prior to the wedding, in preparation to follow the religion.
I would think that the priests had something to say about baby Wilfred and his status as they were unmarried but wanted him baptized in the Catholic church, so it is better all round that Boris wanted to marry Carrie in the church.
I am not judging their unmarried status however it may be more beneficial to Wilfred now they are tied together in Holy Wedlock. Amen to all.

Ginny42 Sun 30-May-21 19:49:53

Surely the Catholic church will now be unable to refuse to marry any other couple in identical circumstances wishing to be married in the Catholic church of their choice. The precedent is now set.

Very many couples have been denied the marriage ceremony enjoyed by the PM and his now wife.

Kali2 Sun 30-May-21 19:36:29

Galaxy

I dont think there is any guarantee it will be changed for other people.

and that is indeed the crux of the matter - it does not and will not.

Fennel Sun 30-May-21 19:35:20

Maybe the catholic church based their decision on Carrie's status. She is a catholic and this is her first marriage.

JaneJudge Sun 30-May-21 19:26:24

sorry, I have just realised you were quoting someone else, still horrible!

JaneJudge Sun 30-May-21 19:25:38

that sounds really damaging and upsetting ginny sad and really bloody CRUEL

ginny Sun 30-May-21 19:23:09

When my uncle was dying the Catholic priest who came to give him the last rights told my aunt that he was going to burn in Hell because they hadn't been married in church. Apparently the rules are different if you are PM.

deedaa what a terrible thing for a priest to say !

ginny Sun 30-May-21 19:19:37

I doubt the majority of people will care.
The Catholic Church, and other churches have done worse things.

Evoha16 Sun 30-May-21 19:11:45

Yes - I met him socially years ago and he behaved very inappropriately-

BlueBelle Sun 30-May-21 19:08:16

peasblossom the point is it hasn’t change for ordinary folk obviously there has been a wriggle around for this ‘special’ person
Total hypocrisy but what else do we expect from a church that has wriggled its way out of all the child abuse cases

MerylStreep Sun 30-May-21 19:05:54

Welbeck
Is this the priest?
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/06/i-failed-archbishop-agrees-he-shut-out-victim-hears-inquiry

Whitewavemark2 Sun 30-May-21 19:02:16

I have a young Catholic friend who wanted to marry in church a divorcee who was an Anglican. She never got her desire. She died “not married”

kjmpde Sun 30-May-21 19:02:11

when i was a child the divorced couples who were members of the RC Church were sent to the nearby methodist chapel to be married . I also worked with a divorced Roman Catholic lady that could not take communian as she had remarried . So whilst I am not a RC, i don't understand how the couple were allowed to be married and become part of the church community . Has the church changed that much ?

Deedaa Sun 30-May-21 18:51:43

When my uncle was dying the Catholic priest who came to give him the last rights told my aunt that he was going to burn in Hell because they hadn't been married in church. Apparently the rules are different if you are PM.

Galaxy Sun 30-May-21 18:50:16

I dont think there is any guarantee it will be changed for other people.

Peasblossom Sun 30-May-21 18:47:42

If people think they’ve been hurt in the past by a rigid approach, surely they’d be glad to see things had changed.

Peasblossom Sun 30-May-21 18:46:04

But if there’s been a more compassionate approach that’s a good thing, isn’t it? I mean I know some hardline members of the church will object, but it’s more likely to make people think more positively of the church, not damage it.

EllanVannin Sun 30-May-21 18:44:27

Will it be damaged ? Ohh, I don't think so.

welbeck Sun 30-May-21 18:43:34

Kali2

I certainly hope many Catholics will write to Oramus, the Magazine for Westminster Cathedral, and His eminence Nicholls who is in charge and probably made the decision.

is that the same his eminence who moved priests around the chess board when they were implicated in abusing children.
didn't seem to knock him off his eminent position.
so by comparison this is very small potatoes.