Are we moving backwards?

I feel that we are witnessing the beginning of the end.l am not religious but the natural catastrophes and man made ones, covid, global warming.The anger of man against man and the inhuman actions in the name of religion, and the emergence of China as a super power are all frightening factors.

The Taliban have held sway in vast areas of Afghanistan for a long time, it was inevitable and understood by US this swift and total takeover would occur. The UK could not stay without US / EU support. I am disgusted with Biden - but then he’s a demented old man, a mere puppet. I’m with you Granny O this is; as always about money and power. And as always the unspeakable atrocities will be meted upon the women and children. It is truly heartbreaking

I agree with the other Gransnets, their opinions of the
Talibans especially.

I expect you have all heard about the atrocities that happened in Plymouth last Thursday. Absolutely horrifying. The little three year old being shot whilst her Daddy tried to protect her. Becky will need all the help the counsellors can give her losing her husband and her little girl, both at the same time. The relatives and friends of all who were shot must be heartbroken and question ‘why’. May they Rest in Peace.

My question is this. How is it that the Taliban have taken over a whole country in less than a month with no apparent resistance? Is it because the male population of Afghanistan are actually sympathisers of this barbaric movement? If not why aren’t they fighting back? God help the women, children and those men with more enlightened ideas. My heart weeps.

geekesse If you don’t like David Wood, try Apostate Prophet on YouTube - an atheist ex-Muslim.

geekesse

*Skye17*, you might get a more balanced view of Islam and Sharia if you didn’t rely for your information on a Christian fundamentalist whose ‘ministry’, such as it is, acts as a platform for anti-Islam views. Ever heard the term ‘echo-chamber’?

Also, the passages he quotes are either in the Islamic sources or they’re not – whoever is quoting them. This is open for anyone to check.

Power hungry men. Too many of them getting away with it. Religious beliefs my a**e. Money and power, and humanity flies out the window

geekesse

*Skye17*, you might get a more balanced view of Islam and Sharia if you didn’t rely for your information on a Christian fundamentalist whose ‘ministry’, such as it is, acts as a platform for anti-Islam views. Ever heard the term ‘echo-chamber’?

He is not the only source I have. However, I don’t think it would ever be fair to call him a fundamentalist. Why do you think he is one?

Don’t you think there are some things about Islam it’s good to be anti (selection listed above)?

Skye17, you might get a more balanced view of Islam and Sharia if you didn’t rely for your information on a Christian fundamentalist whose ‘ministry’, such as it is, acts as a platform for anti-Islam views. Ever heard the term ‘echo-chamber’?

Nannapat1

The Taliban will remain what they have always been, religious fundamentalists, whose hardline interpretation of Islam/Shariah law will impact most negatively on women.
Christian fundamentalists in the States are no better although of course their impact is far less severe, at least while The Handmaid's Tale remains a work of fiction.

No better? How many of these have you seen Christian fundamentalists advocating?

- The killing of people who leave Christianity (apostates)
- The throwing of people who have gay sex off the tallest building in the area
- Men to be able to have four wives but women only one husband
- Women to be covered up
- The penalty of crucifixion for the rather vague offence of ‘spreading mischief in the land’, which can be interpreted in various ways
- Second-class citizen status for non-Christians

Plus the violent subjugation of unbelievers. (For chapter and verse on all these teachings from the Islamic sources, see David Wood‘s videos on YouTube.)

I can see a certain difference myself.

The Taliban have obviously been in waiting and as soon as the helping military from different countries disappeared,they struck.Its an abominable situation, those poor innocent people who will be the subject of unknown attrocities have no chance.
The world seems to be slowly going under, religion, fires, floods, heatwaves mostly of our doing.Its a sad world we live in.

The Taliban will remain what they have always been, religious fundamentalists, whose hardline interpretation of Islam/Shariah law will impact most negatively on women.
Christian fundamentalists in the States are no better although of course their impact is far less severe, at least while The Handmaid's Tale remains a work of fiction.

doormouse

My very first post in here, and it’s horribly depressing ?

I’m very much afraid that we are seeing the gradual disintegration of western liberal democracies and the rise of new fascist movements all over the world.

A great deal of the disruptive and divisive material on social media is deliberately disseminated by Russian troll factories with the aim of destroying harmony and cohesion within western democratic cointries.

Gosh I am beginning to think exactly the same.

It does seem that democracy is under threat, that was one of the reasons that Biden made the decision he did, as it seemed that a large minority of ex- military from Afghanistan were/are joining the far right facist groups and are a real threat to democracy in the USA.

Democracy is weaker in the U.K. and I find it all so worrying.

My very first post in here, and it’s horribly depressing ?

I’m very much afraid that we are seeing the gradual disintegration of western liberal democracies and the rise of new fascist movements all over the world.

A great deal of the disruptive and divisive material on social media is deliberately disseminated by Russian troll factories with the aim of destroying harmony and cohesion within western democratic cointries.

In the words of John Lennon -Imagine

The opium poppies will no doubt be grown again and heroin sold to the west. The only way the Taliban will be stopped is by Afghan people taking up arms against them. Clearly Western forces have been holding them in check but the solution will have to be found amongst their own people.

You’ve got it right Algeria’s. Medieval barbarians. Tragic for all those little girls and young women.
Pure evil. ?

Bijou

Throughout history religion has caused wars.

This is from a Huffington Post article:

//In their recently published book, “Encyclopedia of Wars,” authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare. While, for example, it is estimated that approximately one to three million people were tragically killed in the Crusades, and perhaps 3,000 in the Inquisition, nearly 35 million soldiers and civilians died in the senseless, and secular, slaughter of World War 1 alone.

History simply does not support the hypothesis that religion is the major cause of conflict.//
www.huffpost.com/entry/is-religion-the-cause-of-_b_1400766

The taliban are medieval they don’t want to move forward only go back, they are like a lot of countries who want to ‘rule’ and surpress. The Catholic Church still has strange ideas. So less said about them the better.
In respect of the churches in some parts of America, that doesn’t surprise me, if you go on one if their channels on the tv you can see how mad they all are.

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The Taliban has now taken over Afghanistan and have surrounded Kabul. God help the inhabitants there, especially the women and children. Rape, stoning and murders all sanctioned by this new ‘government’ Australians are being evacuated as are other foreigners.

Throughout history religion has caused wars.

Oh, and I forgot to mention:

- Second-class citizen status for Christians and Jews, who have to pay a special tax (jizya) and “feel themselves subdued”

*interpreted in various ways

maddyone

For me, there are absolutely no positives with Sharia law. A system that allows a man to beat his wife, allows the death penalty in any form, that allows people’s hands or feet to be cut off, that requires multiple witnesses to a rape; I’m sorry, it’s not real justice. Plus allowing a man to divorce his wife without recourse to the law of the land is primitive. Sharia law is primitive.
People absolutely should have a criminal record if they commit crimes. How would we ensure offenders were not allowed to work with children, or patients, or vulnerable people if no records were kept. Ridiculous.

Besides these aspects of Sharia law, I particularly object to:

- The killing of people who leave Islam (apostates)
- The throwing of people who have gay sex off the tallest building in the area
- The fact that men can have four wives but women can only have one husband
- Women having to be covered up
- The penalty of crucifixion for the rather vague offence of ‘spreading mischief in a Muslim land’, which can be interpreting various ways, including talking about how you left Islam and encouraging others to leave

It sounds a lot worse than other legal systems to me, and I would absolutely hate to live under it.

David Wood has some very good videos about Islam and its teachings on YouTube. They are short, concise, entertaining and very informative. E g, Three Qur’an Verses Every Woman Should Know
youtu.be/5NXtIUv5i2w

I despair of ever seeing equality for women in my lifetime. Unless women have an equal say in running the world, we will always be kept in inferior positions.
Why would the Taliban, for instance, want to give up the power to rape & control women? They are animals, using but distorting Sharia law for their own disgusting desires.
Enough of this - where are the good men standing up for a peaceful world where women can be safe, & free to live on their own terms?