The Bishop of Washington - her address today.

Yes of course none of us know any other people.

I'm shocked at some people's lack of empathy. They can't know immigrants or those who have had to flee from their country of birth, they obviously don't know LBGGQ+ people or anyone who has had a sex change operation, I know 3, one had his op in his sixties to become female (had been born with both sets of organs and his parents asked to choose when he was a baby, made the wrong choice though not their fault), one went from female to male in her late 20s and one male to female in her mid thirties, all much happier now, none any threat to anyone else. I think it's more common ( though not very common) that people realise.

Of course they wont. Nobody trusts any information in relation to this because the evidence base has been so awful. I dont think there is any chance puberty blockers will be reintroduced in this country in the way they were.

Galaxy

As I said some lgb people dont agree with the need to be scared, many see the gender ideology stuff as damaging in particular to lesbians, some were quite scared about that.

Some of us don't feel the fear of men, I don't. Doesn't alter the fact that some do. I'm a pensioner and apparently I'm one of the most vulnerable people in society. I'm not but some are.

Seems logical that some LGBT people see things differently to other LGBT people. Doesn't mean one side is right and the other is wrong.

Galaxy, that's the reason teenagers used to be given puberty blockers, to allow them time to explore and receive counselling. Speaking as an adult transgender man (born female, transitioned as a mature adult), I agree there should be no rush to push a youngster into transitioning. The dilemma comes when puberty makes its own natural irreversible changes, and those young people who continue to want to transition find they have a struggle to pass as the gender they wish to present as. For example people born boys get tall, narrow hips and wide shoulders, and a prominent jaw and brow bone if they undergo natural adolescent development. Now this might not be a problem in itself but as the atmosphere becomes hostile towards trans people, they do increasingly risk violence when people guess they are not born females, due to their masculine build. I think if the social and political atmosphere would ease up a bit, so trans people are not so fearful of being "clocked" and attacked or discriminated against, so young people might not feel so desperate to make changes before puberty strikes.

Anyway that was the thinking behind the puberty blockers, to buy time before giving young people irreversible treatments such as surgery and hormones - really on the basis that yes some do "grow out of it" but for those who don't the effects of natural puberty can have lifelong negative results.

I hope the scientific trials of blockers that are soon to begin with set people's minds at rest.

So, it's a case of who you know, Freya?

Claremont

ReadyMeals

Well the bishop didn't say anyone should be encouraged to enter the country illegally, or that anyone should be encouraged to be gay or transgender. She just asked him to show some compassion towards how those people will be feeling, their fears. I saw one news picture taken during the sermon where Melania appears to be giving her husband a bit of side-eye and a smirk. I wonder if she doesn't always take his extreme attitudes.

Well, like Musk, she and her family somehow miraculously obtained US citizenship!

If you do your research you'll find they did it by legal means. An EB-1s is for a range of diverse specialities and is sponsored, a high profile testimonial can help. 1st lady.
An EB5 another legal way to American citizenship. Musk

As I said some lgb people dont agree with the need to be scared, many see the gender ideology stuff as damaging in particular to lesbians, some were quite scared about that.

I hope so, and praise her for it. May she stay safe from his vile 'revenge' habit.

Maremia

Reading some of these comments, I am so glad to be woke.
Preaching 'kindness' is not being political. What is political is taking away the rights of 'Diversity' employees to be at work.
What is political is taking away hard earned rights that have been in place since the 1960's.
Brave women, but what did she do? All she did was preach a Christian message in a Christian Church.

What did she do? She bravely spoke out and the world has heard what she said. It won’t make one iota of difference to what Trump does, but other eyes and ears may have been opened. She could so easily have been the fawning sycophant he is used to.

DoubleMM

She said that “lgbt” children were afraid and at risk. Firstly T does not belong with L or G or B. Secondly, there is no such thing as a trans child. There are confused and unhappy children and crazy adults. Thirdly, when did we start describing children as lesbians or gay before they can know their sexuality ? Fourthly the suicide claim is just not supported by any evidence

I agree with all of that.

But that doesn't mean that any child of either sex should be in fear of their lives.

What she said about trans children does not and should not negate what she said about people of colour and immigrants.

What she actually said was "There are gay, lesbian and transgender children in Democratic, Republican, and Independent families, some who fear for their lives."

We're discussing the "t" bit a lot as its the more controversial, but there is a strong anti-gay movement in the USA which is a real threat and turns the clock back to "gay" being an illness needing conversion therapy and so on.

Reading some of these comments, I am so glad to be woke.
Preaching 'kindness' is not being political. What is political is taking away the rights of 'Diversity' employees to be at work.
What is political is taking away hard earned rights that have been in place since the 1960's.
Brave women, but what did she do? All she did was preach a Christian message in a Christian Church.

Well certainly the evidence does seem that many of the young people, in particular females, would grow into gay adults if thsre was more watchful waiting rather than affirmation, many of the detransitioners talk about this, and the whistleblowers at the tavistock did.

Barleyfields

A child is someone who is not an adult. Of course there are children who know they are gay and who want to transition. If you don’t approve of the phrase LGBT that’s your problem, it’s been common parlance for decades.

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A child is someone who is not an adult. Of course there are children who know they are gay and who want to transition. If you don’t approve of the phrase LGBT that’s your problem, it’s been common parlance for decades.

She said that “lgbt” children were afraid and at risk. Firstly T does not belong with L or G or B. Secondly, there is no such thing as a trans child. There are confused and unhappy children and crazy adults. Thirdly, when did we start describing children as lesbians or gay before they can know their sexuality ? Fourthly the suicide claim is just not supported by any evidence

She is a brave woman and I applaud her for her bold speech saying just what most of us think and what church and a Christian faith is standing for (or in some cases should stay for).

I found that Vance turning away several times was rude and disrespectful, so were a lot of them on the rows behind Trump rolling their eyes etc. And yes, Trump will try to make her life a misery but hopefully she can weather the storm.
She certainly has a new follower in me.

Here are the requirements for those Visas. How on earth did Melania, as a Model, qualify?

EB1A Extraordinary Ability Visa
EB1 first preference: priority workers

The first preference category is EB1 (EB1A), which is for individuals with extraordinary abilities in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics. This preference category also includes outstanding professors or researchers as well as multinational executives and managers. EB-1 applicants can self-petition for an Immigrant Visa for Alien Worker, If approved, such immigrant visa petition will result in a green card. To initiate the process, the applicant need to file Form I-140, with the USCIS.

EB1A Extraordinary ability visa

The Bureau of U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services defines aliens with extraordinary abilities as individuals with “extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics which has been demonstrated by sustained national or international acclaim and whose achievements have been recognized in the field through extensive documentation.” An award such as a Pulitzer, Oscar, Olympic Medal, Nobel Prize or similar award would typically prove extraordinary ability.

However, there are other means of establishing an individual’s extraordinary ability. An individual may be considered an alien with extraordinary ability if he or she can provide at least three of the following ten types of evidence:

1. receipt of lesser nationally or internationally recognized prizes or awards for excellence;
2. membership in associations in the field which demand outstanding achievement of their members;
3. published material about you in professional or major trade publications or other major media;
4. documentation that the alien has been asked to judge the work of others, either individually or as part of a panel;
5. documentation of the alien’s original scientific, scholarly, artistic, athletic, or business-related contributions of major significance to the field;
6. authorship of scholarly articles in professional or major trade publications or other major media;
7. documentation that the alien’s work has been displayed at artistic exhibitions or showcases;
8. documentation of the alien’s performance of a leading or critical role in distinguished organizations;
9. documentation that the alien commands a high salary or other significantly high remuneration in relation to others in the field; and
10. documentation of the alien’s commercial successes in the performing arts.

It is important to note that being able to submit evidence in three of the above ten types of evidence is merely a threshold requirement for classification in this category. The Bureau of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services will determine whether the individual has reached the top of his or her field by looking at the strength of the evidence submitted. The foreign national is compared to his or her peers, not to the population in general, in order to determine if he or she truly possesses extraordinary ability.

An Alien with extraordinary ability can self-petition for an immigrant visa by filing an I-140 Petition for Alien Worker with the appropriate supporting evidence with the Bureau of U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services.

Trump himself has wanted for a very long time to totally cancel all family reunification visas.

Melania's journey to become a US citizen is very questionable- and so is the family reunification visa for her parents.

She worked illegally as a Model, and later obtained a very conveted, very limited Visa for foreign citizens with extraordinary achievement, education and skills. How could she claim this by being a Model?

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ReadyMeals

Well the bishop didn't say anyone should be encouraged to enter the country illegally, or that anyone should be encouraged to be gay or transgender. She just asked him to show some compassion towards how those people will be feeling, their fears. I saw one news picture taken during the sermon where Melania appears to be giving her husband a bit of side-eye and a smirk. I wonder if she doesn't always take his extreme attitudes.

Well, like Musk, she and her family somehow miraculously obtained US citizenship!

What do you mean by 'political' points. A list please?

Or do you mean any humanity and compassion?

Amazing how the teaching of Jesus are considered 'too political'!

The Bishop should not have included political points in her speech - a deliberate attempt to provoke Trump & co. - their faces were wonderful! Woke rearing its ugly head again - please give it a rest.

Well the bishop didn't say anyone should be encouraged to enter the country illegally, or that anyone should be encouraged to be gay or transgender. She just asked him to show some compassion towards how those people will be feeling, their fears. I saw one news picture taken during the sermon where Melania appears to be giving her husband a bit of side-eye and a smirk. I wonder if she doesn't always take his extreme attitudes.