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Polar Bears seem to be at full capacity in two areas

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Bags Mon 10-Jun-13 16:03:33

polarbearscience.com/2013/06/10/signs-that-davis-strait-polar-bears-are-at-carrying-capacity/#more-2059

Ana Fri 09-Aug-13 22:20:25

Well, yes, I meant that you actually stay around for the discussion part, carabon! grin

Butty Fri 09-Aug-13 22:14:09

Oh carbon! I don't think anyone is saying you're wrong to post. It's just that with such a number of prolific postings after such a long time, and the day before you go on holiday, is quite unusual and therefore notable.

Thanks for your explanation of why you've done this now, and pleased to hear you say it was nothing personal, although at times it appeared to me to be so.

I remember following some of your debates with others, and learned quite a bit from the discussions.

I've always valued Bags links and her informed input. Without them I'd be a lot less educated about the why, wherefores, and developmental changes to the environment. Gets me thinking, and I like that.

j08 Fri 09-Aug-13 22:03:42

The article seems to be saying that polar bears are thriving even though the ice is melting. That Doesn't sound much of an argument to me. Might be ok for the polar bears (for now) but what about the rest of the world?

j08 Fri 09-Aug-13 21:59:54

Have a nice hol Carbon. smile

carboncareful Fri 09-Aug-13 21:56:13

Just can't win. If I don't post for ages I'm wrong, if I post a lot in a day I'm wrong; if I post on an old thread I'm wrong........now
Ana is suggesting I challenge and discuss.......

what have I been doing for goodness sake. I'm off on hols tomorrow so ta ta

FlicketyB Fri 09-Aug-13 21:48:30

Bags is not making a point, she is drawing attention to an article upon which she makes no comment.

I have read the article carefully and I can see no illogic. A study has been made of the polar bear population in one area and it has been found that in that area numbers have increased. Reasons for this are discussed and conclusions reached. No comments are made about the global distribution or numbers of polar bears.

Ana Fri 09-Aug-13 21:47:43

Rather aggressively - and on several threads, some of them nearly a year old!

j08 Fri 09-Aug-13 21:42:22

But that's what she's trying to do! confused

Ana Fri 09-Aug-13 21:41:00

Bags certainly doesn't spend all day posting! (Probably not researching, either). If what she posts about climate change worries you so much carboncareful, why keep away - why not challenge and discuss? confused

j08 Fri 09-Aug-13 21:39:19

I don't think anyone is going to become a climate change deny-er because of any particular attitude carbon has!

carboncareful Fri 09-Aug-13 21:36:58

So two more posts come in before I can post the one I've just sent - and both of them getting at me personally. I despair.

j08 Fri 09-Aug-13 21:36:15

There's nothing in the rules to say someone should n' t catch up with threads on a subject that interests them.

j08 Fri 09-Aug-13 21:34:15

Sorry to talk about you carbon.

j08 Fri 09-Aug-13 21:32:59

Desperation and fear? confused What's she supposed to be afraid of? Or desperate about?

carboncareful Fri 09-Aug-13 21:32:54

Butty, I stopped because I just do not have time to keep up with the likes of Bags who seems to spend all day posting and researching. Also other people (not Bags) were getting at me personally and going too far. I'm quite thick skinned about environmental stuff but I suddenly thought to myself: if I was someone who let these things bother them then this would be awful. I've absolutely nothing personal against Bags, I do not know her after all, its the stuff she posts that worries me so much. And I mean really really worries me! Upsets me - so I have to keep away for a bit.
In fact there have been quite a lot of non-climate things when I've agreed with her - isn't that so, Bags?

Butty Fri 09-Aug-13 21:29:47

Carbon has only posted today on issues raised by Bags - after a period of quite some months. From that I would suggest carbon's posts were specifically targeted towards personality - not subject matter. Some posts were certainly personal.

Mischief making.

FlicketyB Fri 09-Aug-13 21:29:00

* Carbon's* aggressive attitude, which I do accept comes from desperation and fear, does her cause a great disservice. It drives other people into denial. Is that what she wants?

Faye Fri 09-Aug-13 20:50:32

I enjoy reading carbon's views, probably because they are along my thoughts too. Too many people make this a personality contest and I think they should butt out and leave it to be about the subject not the personalities. Carbon only posts regarding environmental subjects and that is her prerogative.

The environment and the consequences of scientist getting it wrong is far too important for people to ignore. It's not us who will suffer the consequences but those we care about the most.

j08 Fri 09-Aug-13 19:55:40

I hadn't noticed the dates. Hmmm. Fair question there.

Butty Fri 09-Aug-13 19:45:32

carbon I'm curious to know why you have suddenly decided to blanket GN. with your posts relating to posts made quite a few months ago. What was your purpose to leave such a long time between something that you feel so strongly about?

Nonu Fri 09-Aug-13 19:40:57

Poster that is !!!

Nonu Fri 09-Aug-13 19:40:24

Probably another we will be losing !!!

j08 Fri 09-Aug-13 19:28:14

I'm worried about the kind of planet we are passing on to our grandchildren too.

j08 Fri 09-Aug-13 19:26:58

CC did say the point was rubbish. Not Bags. (in her first perfectly reasonable post) (before anyone else stepped in)

Elegran Fri 09-Aug-13 19:17:14

Sorry, put her where I should have put your.