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Never will go to Malta again...

(66 Posts)
granjura Sun 12-Apr-15 20:05:21

Malta and Gozo are beautiful islands, full of wonderful nature and ancient sites. But yesterday the Maltese have voted to keep spring and autumn hunting of 1000s of protected and endangered birds, from birds of prey to song birds... totally against European Directives.

They need to know that their decision is not without consequences- and I shall vote with my feet and Euros- and hope others will do so.

I will also campaign so that Europe penalises them and stop all subsidies to Malta, including the farmers who are very much behind the 'yes' vote. I am so so disappointed with this vote- and hunting of migrating birds started today (although un-officailly the Maltese do not bother with dates!). A very sad day for migratory birds- let's hope some of them get here and to the UK:

Parcs Sun 12-Apr-15 23:18:59

Very true indeed

Elegran Sun 12-Apr-15 23:15:11

If they had to eat the foxes, they would have thought twice about hunting them.

Parcs Sun 12-Apr-15 23:07:03

Would you have expected fox hunters to eat the foxes?

Maltese people Are trying to stop the hunting but as you may know this kind of thing takes time

Elegran Sun 12-Apr-15 23:04:53

I hadn't read it, I was still replying to your post which implied that you didn't know that fox-hunting is now banned.

Elegran Sun 12-Apr-15 23:03:43

If the vast majority of Maltese people are against it, then perhaps they should make sure that it doesn't happen?

As for eating what they shoot - if all hunters had to eat up all of what they shoot, it would cut down the variety of creatures that they think of as prey.

Parcs Sun 12-Apr-15 23:01:54

elegran please read my previous post, perhaps you missed it, I have agreed to that already

Parcs Sun 12-Apr-15 23:00:33

She has assumed that every Maltese person agree with the bird hunting because otherwise why would she say she will now never visit Malta again,

Elegran Sun 12-Apr-15 22:59:07

"why not stop such hunting in the UK first?" Because that has been stopped. That was the past, Parcs You are diluting the argument by bringing in what is already illegal. Stick to the birds in Malta.

Parcs Sun 12-Apr-15 22:58:55

I agree it is good that the killing of foxes has been banned but it took many years to ban it and many poor foxes had to die by so called English Gentlemen

I think we all agree that the killing of the birds is very wrong.

My objection is with granula saying she will now never go back to Malta, I do not think that makes sense at all.

merlotgran Sun 12-Apr-15 22:52:17

Fox hunting has nothing to do with this. It's been banned.

Parcs Sun 12-Apr-15 22:49:54

so are you saying it was ok to hunt and kill foxes

Parcs Sun 12-Apr-15 22:48:53

The vast majority of Maltese people do not approve of the hunting

I do not approve of the hunting

merlotgran Sun 12-Apr-15 22:48:33

Foxes were originally hunted because they were predators. Regarded as a sport rather than pest control it has been banned.

How can anybody justify shooting harmless birds who wouldn't even be there other than an act of nature?

Parcs Sun 12-Apr-15 22:45:13

why not stop such hunting in the UK first? Rather than going to other countries such as Malta?

hunting in Malta is controlled. not that many birds die, and nothing compared to the rest of Europe and the world

Parcs Sun 12-Apr-15 22:41:33

Hunting is hunting, regardless to what animal is getting hunted surely!

Parcs Sun 12-Apr-15 22:39:28

granula saying you will never go to Malta again due to the Hunting is crazy, Uk have hunted poor old Fox's for years

merlotgran Sun 12-Apr-15 22:39:04

Exhausted birds on a long migration looking for a breather?

Absolutely no connection with foxhunting.

Parcs Sun 12-Apr-15 22:35:19

yes they shook them for sport as in the UK when fox's were hunted

Soutra Sun 12-Apr-15 22:34:01

I think it is the word rednecks that I am not comfortable with. I also think that until a country such as France gets its hunting fraternity under control, is the European Union in a position to penalise Malta?
It is appalling and no way am I trying to make excuses, just saying countries like France might put their own house in order.

merlotgran Sun 12-Apr-15 22:31:46

So they shoot them for sport then? hmm

Parcs Sun 12-Apr-15 22:31:32

How have the people of Malta decided that birds are more important than people?

Parcs Sun 12-Apr-15 22:29:52

Because it is un-civilised to eat those kind of birds and Malta is a very civilised Island

granjura Sun 12-Apr-15 22:29:27

Parcs, the EU does have some rules that apply to all- it is the people of Malta that have decided that birds are more important than people- their choice. If they do not want to be part of Europe, than they should not get subsidies. Same to belonging to any organisation of clubs- you have to abide by the rules or take the consequences.

Nelliemoser Sun 12-Apr-15 22:26:36

Turtledoves should be a protected species. I am sorry but this is an unacceptable practice. and the country should stand up against it.

Parcs Why is it an insult to suggest the Maltese eat the birds they shoot?

As others have said it would make a lot more sense if they killed them for food rather than just for "sport*.

Parcs Sun 12-Apr-15 22:26:35

Are you truly happy to stop subsidies and effect the lives of ordinary people, if so please do explain how putting the lives of birds above those of humans, you did not address that comment that I made.