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Fairy in the septic tank - Help Please!

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EmilyHarburn Mon 16-Jan-17 13:21:23

11 of us are sharing one septic tank, now called a sewage treatment plant. This was a certified replacement for a 1970’s one. It is in our garden under the lawn and emptied twice a year.

Just before Christmas my husband found that all the good bacteria that digest the turds had died. He asked our neighbours who share this tank what they had bought that was different from usual.

Sadly it seems there was an offer on of Fairy Eucalyptus or Lemongrass Anti Bacterial Washing Up Liquid 615 ml which for our neighbour used to using Fairy Original seemed to be good value.

We try to abide by the helpful information on how to live with a sewage treatment plant and keep it in good health that is given on the WTE Ltd website. Advice includes:
Be sensible with cleaning and disinfection products and what you pour down the sink
•Overuse of Anti-Bacterials, disinfectants and heavy cleaners will kill the beneficial bacteria in the septic tank which digest your solids.
•Don't use anti-bacterial hand wash products as you are poisoning your septic tank bacteria with every wash.
www.wte-ltd.co.uk/care.html

My husband researched most of the chemicals which are listed in the product description which did bear the warning ‘Harmful to aquatic life with long lasting effects.’ But then so does the Fairy Original.

Sadly it seems that Proctor and Gamble are using an old fashioned pesticide in the Antibacterial Fairy Liquid – C10 -16 Alkyldimelthyl, N oxide. It kills water fleas at a concentration of 1 part per million. If one assumes that it will also kill other ‘bugs’, daily use by one household would put about 1 gram of the chemical down the drain, enough to poison 1000 litres of effluent.

Are there any gransnetters who can throw further light on this problem? How do we get the balance between death of bugs in the kitchen and health of the bugs in the treatment tank? It seems that Which? still champions bleach spray, soap and water for most households.

MailonLine says:

'Fairy Liquid’s anti-bacterial product was only marginally better at killing bacteria.’

And goes on to say;

‘It then tested all the brands, whether antibacterial or not, on how good they were at cleaning dishes.’

‘Fairy’s Original, costing 90p was top with a score of 89 per cent while its antibacterial version - £1.38 for a smaller bottle - was eighth out of 18 brands with a score of just 71 per cent.’

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1048400/Anti-bacterial-washing-liquids-better-ordinary-cleaners-watchdog.html

Lillie Mon 16-Jan-17 14:16:33

Lovely subject! I have no idea about the best washing up liquid for septic tanks, but if you need to reboost the bacteria you can buy sachets or tablets to throw down the loo every week. Failing that, our (German) plumber told us to chuck a few bottles of beer down the toilet, the yeast improves fermentation! grin

Elegran Mon 16-Jan-17 14:42:34

Lovely subject, yes. I confess that when I read "11 of us are sharing one septic tank" I thought, "Wow, that IS overcrowding - and uncomfortable". Sorry to be so flippant!

Granarchist Mon 16-Jan-17 15:03:19

go to France - buy huge pack of Eparcyl - it boosts bacteria in Septic tanks (fosse septique) - flush a sachet a week or whenever you fancy it down the loo. Job done. We also use it when anyone in the family or a guest is on antibiotics as they have the same effect on the tank. Vital for good health of the tank.

trisher Mon 16-Jan-17 15:19:02

Know absolutely nothing about this but I found it interesting. I was beguiled by the title, but that might be because GD is currently into fairies and I was really worried about one being caught in your septic tank.

chocolatepudding Mon 16-Jan-17 15:31:16

Over 30 years ago we moved to a cottage with a septic tank having previously had mains drainage. I spoke to a very helpful lady at the district council who said don't use anything biological, no bleach, disinfectant, bubble bath domestos etc. If you do use one of these products always dilute thoroughly. If you need to have the tank emptied (which you shouldn't as it should run properly) throw a dead cat or chicken in the empty tank to get things working again.We had no problems at all with the septic tank until 14 houses and flats were built next door and we were connected to their private sewage treatment plant. Now there is a very hard and fast rule for all of us that the only items that go into the drains are human waste and toilet paper.
I had not heard of the sachets of French bacteria but the idea of some beer may work if not some raw chicken added straight into the treatment plant (so it doesn't block the pipework). Good Luck!!

Mamie Mon 16-Jan-17 15:31:20

Quite surprised that washing-up liquid would do that tbh. We avoid bleach and always restart the bacteria after antibiotics. We use Tarax which only needs to be added once every six months. Is it possible that someone was taking antibiotics?

Jalima Mon 16-Jan-17 15:47:20

I'm sorry, when I read 'Fairy in the Septic Tank' I wondered how she had got in there and if anyone was helping her to get out blush

Seriously, I am not sure but it is something I will mention to DD because they have a septic tank; however, they are the only ones using it generally and they have just had a new one installed.

There is another thread, I think, on the over-use of anti-bacterial products and I had read recently that they are of little use; hot soapy water is just as good - but what does 'soapy' mean? Does it mean detergent in which case check the ingredients carefully or good old-fashioned soap?

Would a pro-biotic work in the tank? You would need quite a lot though, to restore the balance.

vampirequeen Mon 16-Jan-17 15:50:08

I thought you had a fairy that magicked the nasties into nicies for you but then I read the OP.

How do you put the good bacteria back in now they've been killed?

whitewave Mon 16-Jan-17 15:52:02

I do know that when we hire holiday cottages, there is always special stuff that must be used. I don't know it's name as really I don't need to buy it. But there is clearly stuff you can buy.

Mamie Mon 16-Jan-17 16:07:27

Actually the last time we had ours emptied the man told us to put a whole camembert in(best place for it, but don't tell the neighbours I said that). grin

Stansgran Mon 16-Jan-17 16:08:01

Oh thank goodness. I was soo worried. Thought We would all have to shout we believed in fairies to get her out.

Stansgran Mon 16-Jan-17 16:08:26

Tinkerbell that is

Lillie Mon 16-Jan-17 16:24:07

Camembert Mamie, c'est dégoûtant! No wonder the French countryside stinks so much when you drive round it!

grannylyn65 Mon 16-Jan-17 16:27:11

How on earth do you know anout the efficacy or not of bacteria ? A camembert ? What !!!!confused

Mamie Mon 16-Jan-17 16:46:48

Well you know if the bacteria have stopped working because it smells! Mind you with a Camembert...
When we were house-hunting we viewed a house in Camembert. It had an entire room full of cheese labels. grin

grannylyn65 Mon 16-Jan-17 16:50:54

grin

M0nica Mon 16-Jan-17 17:32:34

I am not sure in which country this septic tank is, but we have one at our house in France (entirely ours, we do not have to share) and the instructions we give all visitors, and obey ourselves, is not to use any household cleaning product, whether for washing dishes, clothes, paintwork or any other purpose unless it clearly states on the bottle that it can be used sagely of you have a septic tank.

I have recently been using mould resistant paint on the walls of an unventilated cloakroom and I always wash the brushes in a bowl and empty it on the gravel courtyard, because, by definition, it must contain anti bacterial/microbial ingredients.

Our installer told us that if there was a problem with the cesspit it would smell. Because, as a holiday home the house is only used intermittently we use the six monthly product Tarax topped up with a packet for Eparcyl at the start of every visit

So many of us are recommending Eparcyl, do you think Gransnet could get some extra money from them by charging for these recommendations?

TriciaF Mon 16-Jan-17 18:15:34

Eparcyl - the old cure-all! I've used it on ours, especially recently since husband put about about a pint of petrol down one of the toilets. He won't admit how much, and why he was using it.
The petrol smell lasted a few days, but seems to have gone now TG.
From our experience, the occasional addition of something harmful does no permanent damage to a septic tank.
For the OP - I was reading an article today in the Sunday Times which said that antibacterial cleansers should be avoided anyway because they help to destroy the natural human resistance to bacteria.

Welshwife Mon 16-Jan-17 18:20:18

I use Eparcyl too but another thing you can put down is yoghurt - especially any which is past the sell by date. We still have an old system and so far it has passed all the tests - we have a Fosse solely for the toilets and a grey water system for the sinks, washing machine etc and the rainwater has its own pipe work to reach the ditch along the road. It works well and much less problems than the fosses for all waters to go in. I throw all buckets of floor cleaning product on the garden and any fat in pans etc I also put onto the garden or wipe the pan out with kitchen towel so it does not go into the pipe work - inspection chambers are cleared out regularly. As monica said - when it is all OK no smells etc.

trisher Mon 16-Jan-17 18:21:26

The post about adding a dead cat reminded me of when we went to camp and had latrines dug in a farmer's field. When we left he often threw in a dead sheep or cow before filling them in. He said the bacteria helped with decomposition.