Greta Thunberg on the environment and being on the Autism spectrum

Possibly late in the day to be posting this, but for those who were earlier insisting that Greta T was just a child, was being misled and badly parented and was heading for a disappointed future when the media spotlight disappeared, this BBC article makes heartening reading:

www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/0e9e80de-62cb-4782-a26f-1cd480d28f26?fbclid=IwAR0O-mxeVOxutlQNRdmYpDiKNlMzYkAu4yaOBD0ErZnRFbqyaao6TGdYlBg

Notanan is right again! The food industries are using the packaging story as a selling gambit . It is easy for me and others to be seduced by such lies . It's a little easier for me to know what frugality truly is; I well remember wartime rationing and shortages.

Extinction is an urgent emergency that requires a wartime mentality.

Notanan wrote:

"Her Aspie way of seeing things may give her an "edge" in the climate change discussion but please also consider that it also means that the way we describe her online will affect her more deeply too as she may feel like we are LITERALLY expecting her to be "the spokesperson for her generation" or "joan of arc for our time" etc"

Yes, she needs to be protected by all who appreciate her work, something like Malala Yousafzai has been protected and cherished .
I confess that I do see a strong resemblance between Greta and Joan of Arc, and nobody want Greta to be a martyr!

I ring up the company if I see vehicles chugging away while waiting for passengers (if a coach) or lorries who are taking a break. You see more of it in winter but it certainly has stopped Brakes, Reynolds and many others from leaving their engines idling.

I love wood burning stoves

And our neighbours have a 'fashionable' wood-burning stove.

This list is from 18 months ago - I doubt that much has improved since then EllanVannin
Certainly not where I live, which is on the list

news.sky.com/story/how-dangerous-is-the-air-where-you-live-uks-most-polluted-towns-and-cities-revealed-11106386

Vehicles cause the most damage to the environment. There are thousands of non-smokers who have lung cancer caused by the putrid fumes given off from dirty/sooty exhausts. What else can it be ?

Along with those irritating " log-burners " which you can smell burning a mile off. I thought smokeless fuel was a thing of the past-----obviously not when disguised as another " must-have ".

There are more vehicles on our roads than ever there were and the results from their fumes are pretty scary. More and more children suffering from asthma, a terrible illness. Is anyone doing anything about it ? No !

No matter how much preaching goes on about the state of the environment----it'll never change because people won't adhere to the way of life which is expected of them. We'll still see towns and cities choked up with the noxious and dangerous fumes from thousands of vehicles. No doubt those who spout about the climate arrive in a car, so to my mind their speeches etc defeat the whole object of preserving our planet.

It doesn't take a Philadelphia lawyer to work out just a fraction of one of the causes of " climate change ",does it ?

OMG Gonegirl It sounds completely terrifying!

I don't know if this article helps It does seem biased against 5G though. No doubt there are other articles in favour of it. Sounds like something that's going to come anyway.

Sorry for my ignorance. I apologise in advance, but please can someone explain to me why 5G will be disastrous. TIA.

I agree that our food waste is appalling and an absolute scandal.

Demanding that supermarkets unwrap your exotic fruit that has travelled across the world to you, only for half of it to end up rotting in the bin...

^ that is about as much effort as a lot of people are making at the moment. Its like oweing someone 10k and giving them the coppers from behind the couch as repayment.

Switching to an "eco" version of what we are used to wont do it. We WILL have to go without things we have become accustomed to. Either now, or later with interest.

Anja, sorry but doing a switch to loose rather than packaged food, snd then carrying on as normal, might actually INCREASE your carbon footprint and environmental impact and not reduce it.

People are being lied to. They are being told that they can continue their lifestyles and consumptions by making "eco-switches": just buy loose instead of packaged. Just buy organic rayon instead of polyester, just buy paper straws intead of plastic...

Its still buy buy buy at a rate we dont need and cant sustain

notanan you are ingesting microplastic every day without realising it.

"avoids plastic as much as possible"

You know, food waste has a higher carbon footprint and environmental impact than plastic packaging. And plastic packaginh cuts food waste SIGNIFICANTLY.

So following the latest eco fad isnt going to cut it. Dramatic lifestyle changes are required.

Waiting for corporations and legislators and the aviation industry to make it harder for us to consume at the rate we do is BS.

Her Aspie way of seeing things may give her an "edge" in the climate change discussion but please also consider that it also means that the way we describe her online will affect her more deeply too as she may feel like we are LITERALLY expecting her to be "the spokesperson for her generation" or "joan of arc for our time" etc

It is an old article Kisathecat but I thought the bit about the volcanic eruption and the burning coal was very interesting. No doubt there has been further research about that since then.

Alexa Joan of Arc is definitely not a happy analogy! Poor Greta, we want her to live and not to suffer and be a martyr.

Heard on the radio this morning that, on social media, it is mostly women making bitchy judgemental remarks about Greta Thunberg. Men have been more inclined to ask why women are being like that to such a young girl.

Interesting.

Easybee:
"Joan of Arc is not a happy analogy."

What would you prefer, to be happy or to be good?

@crystaltipps here’s a little article to get you started on your researchhttp://www.theartofannihilation.com/the-manufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-a-decade-of-social-manipulation-for-the-corporate-capture-of-nature-crescendo/?fbclid=IwAR1NWIIcnRiy1w3myfHrbM1dg2uQuupXowW4MAJH4ELUBu9gPj8IW8vaE5g

Thank you Kisathecat for your eminently sensible posts.
I prefer to be guided by Attenborough with his years of practical involvement, study and knowledge of the planet, but is so much more newsworthy to be seen fawning over a genuinely concerned but naturally inexperienced sixteen year old, who I fear will suffer when the caravan inevitably moves on and leaves her behind.
Joan of Arc is not a happy analogy.

@callistemon thanks for sharing that article. I’m not a scientist obviously but my own ideas about change and common sense along with studies like these tell me that some environmental change is normal.
@crystaltipps I don’t have my head in the sand and I’m not advocating that anyone else does either. But sadly until mass production of anything is reigned in or stopped, consumers are limited in what they can actually do. I mean as individuals we do what we can but while corporations are polluting the world and making lots of money and being allowed to by governments our efforts are always going to be overwhelmed by that. I know it has to start somewhere....but the plastic industry itself needs to be stopped and other real sustainable solutions created to meet consumer needs. Like we should all have access to water that is safe to drink and not full of chemicals so we don’t resort to buying bottled water. That one single thing would make such a difference!

A lot of research is going on and many programmes on radio and tv seem to include a message about plastics, the move towards manufacturing recyclable plastic. Apparently the number of unrecyclable black plant pots sold each year runs into the millions each year so Monty Don suggests re-using them until the time comes when they can be recycled and new types of recyclable pots are now being produced. Alternatives to food packaging are being developed. One young scientist is developing food packaging made from cauliflower leaves which are normally just wasted. Advances are being made.

What needs to be done is to clean up the filthy mess that the planet is in now and stop it happening further.

For every person that is getting the message, takes home their rubbish, recycles, avoids plastic as much as possible, there is another who thinks that someone else will just clear up their mess.