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Greta Thunberg on the environment and being on the Autism spectrum

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Gonegirl Tue 23-Apr-19 17:31:49

interesting listen if you missed it this morning

Joelsnan Wed 24-Apr-19 17:11:58

Gonegirl
Have you reviewed the Yale University EPI index (above). I think the UK government is converted according to the data. As is most of Europe.

Tiggersuki Wed 24-Apr-19 17:14:15

What depressing view from Joelsnan.
Seriously, the depressing thing is the way we have accelerated climate change unnecessarily. We should feel ashamed as adults that it took an inspired Swedish schoolgirl to inform people and get them talking.
Sparklefizz if you watch David Attenborough's recent program on climate change he commends Greta Thunberg!
Climate does change naturally but we do not need to go for greedy growth all the time , that is what the world cannot cope with. Sustainability is how we can cope.

Urmstongran Wed 24-Apr-19 17:17:36

Sorry Gonegirl yes I did. Very interesting.

Perhaps if possible though we shouldn’t replace if it’s not broken?

Mind you, the whole subject is mind boggling. Too much really to encompass. No wonder we feel overwhelmed by it all.

For instance do you wear anything made of denim? Jeans are amongst the most environmentally harmful of all articles of clothing. Who knew? The amount of water & energy used to produce one pair of denim jeans adds up: 1800 gallons of fresh water just to grow the cotton, for 1 pair. You can find this data on The Fashion Law website.

Are we going to ban football? Tax it? Change how it is played?

From the gigantic stadia with all that lighting & plastic infrastructure, to the impact of all the travel involved, to the waste generated by spectators, to the merchandise industry, to the broadcast impacts: the world's single most beloved sport alone imposes a huge amount of damage.

I need a lie down.
Or a glass of wine ....

Joelsnan Wed 24-Apr-19 17:23:33

Tiggersuki
What's depressiing?

Alexa Wed 24-Apr-19 18:04:17

The science and the numbers are well understood. Beef and dairy are not sustainable, and that is top of the list of unsustainables.

maddyone Wed 24-Apr-19 18:15:35

I’m very glad she’s not my daughter, I would worry about her being exploited. I hope her parents are aware of the potential for that to happen.
I’m happy that she’s so aware, but none the less I’m concerned. Apparently she’s 16, but she looks much younger, I’m afraid I would be very concerned. Maybe it will all work out well, I hope so, but children who are precociously forward for their age, don’t always do well at adapting to life in the adult world.

Marjgran Wed 24-Apr-19 18:15:38

It is a spurious argument to say we are doing all we can and what about China- we have reduced our emissions by buying our produce from countries such as China. Look at the labels in your clothes, furniture, toys, jewellery - almost everything. We have “exported” our emissions

Urmstongran Wed 24-Apr-19 18:18:37

Very true Marjgran it eases our conscious.

Joelsnan Wed 24-Apr-19 19:10:20

Maybe we should seriously advocate for the curtailment of the constant drive for globalisation.

Sparklefizz Wed 24-Apr-19 19:17:01

Good point Marjgran (your post 18.15.38.)

Marjgran Wed 24-Apr-19 20:35:40

Oh goodness - your point being ??? He funds a big pro democracy unit, so what?

Marjgran Wed 24-Apr-19 20:37:36

Previous post was for Leyburn. If it were Bill Gates not George Soros? Is this an AS post?

maryeliza54 Wed 24-Apr-19 20:42:57

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/24/george-soros-antisemitism-bomb-attacks?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I wasn’t accusing ley of AS but asking her if she realised how it might read. This article explains the issues somewhat.

notanan2 Wed 24-Apr-19 21:06:38

It is not a criticism of her or her speaches to be uncomfortable with how she is being presented by others.

The movement should be about children, pleural. And she is not the only child with something to say on this matter but she has been singled out in a way which does not benefit her or her cause IMO.

She will have difficulties going forward. Its one thing to stand up and say "this needs to change", another entirely to work colaborately to impliment change, which shouldnt be her job but she has been put on a pedistal now as the spokesperson for her generation, and she really isnt.

Its tokenism. The politicians getting photographed with her dont really care about her generation, if they did they would be speaking to as many kids her age as possible

Marjgran Wed 24-Apr-19 21:46:34

From Greta’s own post:
As the rumours, lies and constant leaving out of well established facts continue, please share this newly updated clarification about me and my school strike.
Please help me communicate this to the grown ups who lie about me and family so that I can focus on school instead:

Recently I’ve seen many rumors circulating about me and enormous amounts of hate. This is no surprise to me. I know that since most people are not aware of the full meaning of the climate crisis (which is understandable since it has never been treated as a crisis) a school strike for the climate would seem very strange to people in general.
So let me make some things clear about my school strike.

In may 2018 I was one of the winners in a writing competition about the environment held by Svenska Dagbladet, a Swedish newspaper. I got my article published and some people contacted me, among others was Bo Thorén from Fossil Free Dalsland. He had some kind of group with people, especially youth, who wanted to do something about the climate crisis.
I had a few phone meetings with other activists. The purpose was to come up with ideas of new projects that would bring attention to the climate crisis. Bo had a few ideas of things we could do. Everything from marches to a loose idea of some kind of a school strike (that school children would do something on the schoolyards or in the classrooms). That idea was inspired by the Parkland Students, who had refused to go to school after the school shootings.
I liked the idea of a school strike. So I developed that idea and tried to get the other young people to join me, but no one was really interested. They thought that a Swedish version of the Zero Hour march was going to have a bigger impact. So I went on planning the school strike all by myself and after that I didn’t participate in any more meetings.

When I told my parents about my plans they weren’t very fond of it. They did not support the idea of school striking and they said that if I were to do this I would have to do it completely by myself and with no support from them.
On the 20 of august I sat down outside the Swedish Parliament. I handed out fliers with a long list of facts about the climate crisis and explanations on why I was striking. The first thing I did was to post on Twitter and Instagram what I was doing and it soon went viral. Then journalists and newspapers started to come. A Swedish entrepreneur and business man active in the climate movement, Ingmar Rentzhog, was among the first to arrive. He spoke with me and took pictures that he posted on Facebook. That was the first time I had ever met or spoken with him. I had not communicated or encountered with him ever before.

Many people love to spread rumors saying that I have people ”behind me” or that I’m being ”paid” or ”used” to do what I’m doing. But there is no one ”behind” me except for myself. My parents were as far from climate activists as possible before I made them aware of the situation.
I am not part of any organization. I sometimes support and cooperate with several NGOs that work with the climate and environment. But I am absolutely independent and I only represent myself. And I do what I do completely for free, I have not received any money or any promise of future payments in any form at all. And nor has anyone linked to me or my family done so.
And of course it will stay this way. I have not met one single climate activist who is fighting for the climate for money. That idea is completely absurd.
Furthermore I only travel with permission from my school and my parents pay for tickets and accommodations.

My family has written a book together about our family and how me and my sister Beata have influenced my parents way of thinking and seeing the world, especially when it comes to the climate. And about our diagnoses.
That book was due to be released in May. But since there was a major disagreement with the book company, we ended up changing to a new publisher and so the book was released in august instead.
Before the book was released my parents made it clear that their possible profits from the book ”Scener ur hjärtat” will be going to 8 different charities working with environment, children with diagnoses and animal rights.

And yes, I write my own speeches. But since I know that what I say is going to reach many, many people I often ask for input. I also have a few scientists that I frequently ask for help on how to express certain complicated matters. I want everything to be absolutely correct so that I don’t spread incorrect facts, or things that can be misunderstood.

Some people mock me for my diagnosis. But Asperger is not a disease, it’s a gift. People also say that since I have Asperger I couldn’t possibly have put myself in this position. But that’s exactly why I did this. Because if I would have been ”normal” and social I would have organized myself in an organisation, or started an organisation by myself. But since I am not that good at socializing I did this instead. I was so frustrated that nothing was being done about the climate crisis and I felt like I had to do something, anything. And sometimes NOT doing things - like just sitting down outside the parliament - speaks much louder than doing things. Just like a whisper sometimes is louder than shouting.

Also there is one complaint that I ”sound and write like an adult”. And to that I can only say; don’t you think that a 16-year old can speak for herself? There’s also some people who say that I oversimplify things. For example when I say that "the climate crisis is a black and white issue”, ”we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases” and ”I want you to panic”. But that I only say because it’s true. Yes, the climate crisis is the most complex issue that we have ever faced and it’s going to take everything from our part to ”stop it”. But the solution is black and white; we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases.
Because either we limit the warming to 1,5 degrees C over pre industrial levels, or we don’t. Either we reach a tipping point where we start a chain reaction with events way beyond human control, or we don’t. Either we go on as a civilization, or we don’t. There are no gray areas when it comes to survival.
And when I say that I want you to panic I mean that we need to treat the crisis as a crisis. When your house is on fire you don’t sit down and talk about how nice you can rebuild it once you put out the fire. If your house is on fire you run outside and make sure that everyone is out while you call the fire department. That requires some level of panic.

There is one other argument that I can’t do anything about. And that is the fact that I’m ”just a child and we shouldn’t be listening to children.” But that is easily fixed - just start to listen to the rock solid science instead. Because if everyone listened to the scientists and the facts that I constantly refer to - then no one would have to listen to me or any of the other hundreds of thousands of school children on strike for the climate across the world. Then we could all go back to school.
I am just a messenger, and yet I get all this hate. I am not saying anything new, I am just saying what scientists have repeatedly said for decades. And I agree with you, I’m too young to do this. We children shouldn’t have to do this. But since almost no one is doing anything, and our very future is at risk, we feel like we have to continue.


And if you have any other concern or doubt about me, then you can listen to my TED talk ( www.ted.com/talks/greta_thunberg_the_disarming_case_to_act_right_now_on_climate/up-next ), in which I talk about how my interest for the climate and environment began.

And thank you everyone for your kind support! It brings me hope.
/Greta

Ps I was briefly a youth advisor for the board of the non profit foundation “We don’t have time”. It turns out they used my name as part of another branch of their organisation that is a start up business. They have admitted clearly that they did so without the knowledge of me or my family. I no longer have any connection to “We don’t have time”. Nor does anyone in my family. They have deeply apologised for what has happened and I have accepted their apology.

pinkquartz Wed 24-Apr-19 22:58:03

I find it best for myself and my conscience to make the small changes that I can do. Then I know I am doing something to aid healing the planet.
Having been concerned about the environment ever since 1971 when I read the book Silent Spring I find myself easily annoyed that so many people do dismiss the issue by saying it is too big, or what about China?
Just do what you can do.
If I can support a UK company instead of a Chinese one I will but if not then I can do something else.
Also there are so many small ways to create a change.

Plant wild flowers for the bees.
Stop using RoundUp or any other pesticides. They are literally killing the wildlife.

Maybe I don't know very much about Great but maybe it will take a person or person/s with Autism to have the dedication to push this issue.
At the same time she does seem to be manipulated by others, but that doesn't mean we can't learn.
I don't accept that us older people are the problem.

It is all down to lifestyles.

I used to vote Green but stopped doing so because some of their policies make no sense to me and even frightened me

pinkquartz Wed 24-Apr-19 22:58:42

sorry I meant Greta not Great.

notanan2 Wed 24-Apr-19 23:15:58

Its too late for small changes.

We cannot make a dent by continuing the same lifestyles as before just with switches to eco versions of what we have become acustomed to. Whole ways of living have to change otherwise...

notanan2 Wed 24-Apr-19 23:22:06

There has been a boom im green (often greenwashed) consumer products.

They are a lie.
You are kidding yourself if you think we can keep consuming at the sans rate so long as we switch to less bad/"green" products while we continue with the same level of consumption

GabriellaG54 Thu 25-Apr-19 09:20:54

Good to read that my last two phones are top two on the 'fewest emissions in manufacturing' list. grin
I do, however, have 47 (yes, 47) phones from previous years, all in perfect nick and in their boxes. My first Motorola like a brick, Razr, clamshell, even a tiny Sharp b/w screen model which cannot be seen when held in my closed fist.
We've come a long way tech wise but if we don't buy from overseas manufacturers, their workers will be out of a job and no wages = no food etc.
Can your income sustain the higher costs of British manufacture if we brought it all 'in house'.
The energy costs of data and technology are somewhat mitigated by no longer needing to upkeep bricks and mortar bases from which to sell and many companies no longer operate on the High Street, instead their employees work from home, saving on fuel/transport, rents heating and lighting.
There will be pluses and minuses, one cancelling out the other, therefore, the status quo will be likely to remain.

Barmeyoldbat Thu 25-Apr-19 10:11:02

Blimey GG54, that takes some beating 47 phones. smile

Sparklefizz Thu 25-Apr-19 13:25:15

47 phones?? And somebody on here recently had 200 handbags or similar and dozens of pairs of boots. What is it with this obscene consumption? We don't need it, people!

Callistemon Thu 25-Apr-19 14:02:07

I've only had two phones! One is ancient but still has some money loaded on to it which I may have lost now, the other is apparently 'a dinosaur' according to DC.
I have a phone for emergencies only.

Alexa Thu 25-Apr-19 14:18:24

Thanks to Marjgran for copying Greta Thunsberg's letter for our benefit.flowers

notanan2 Thu 25-Apr-19 15:49:16

What is it with this obscene consumption? We don't need it, people!

Part of it is not individuals but built in obselescence, which we need to campaign against.

E.g. Apple make old ipads incompatable with facebook/youtube etc updates so they become unusable and people HAVE to buy upgrades rather than continue using older models. Hotpoint make their washing machines more expensive to repair than replace etc.