Gransnet forums

Science/nature/environment

Men who cut down the sycamore in Sycamore Gap in court

(82 Posts)
M0nica Wed 15-May-24 17:41:59

What cowards these men are. They turned up in court in full masks so no one could see who they are. Yes, I know we have names and ages.

But surely if you feel strongly enough about something, personal grudge or wider issue. You should have the guts to show your face in public. Gutless vandals.

Annypop Wed 15-May-24 22:14:33

A selfie, what on earth are you on about? There are lots of beautiful places in the world, are they to be doomed because people like to take a pic? I do think this case will probably have some grudge or argument behind it between NT or Northumberland National Park but will wait and see. However, I love and respect our great heritage and Hadrian's Wall will still remain a popular walk for many to enjoy I'm sure. The walkers I met along the way keep to the designated paths, value the beauty, enjoy the history, whilst also bringing a lot of revenue to the area through cafe's, hotels, camping sites, pubs etc. They all benefit and help to maintain this wonderful historic site.

Wyllow3 Wed 15-May-24 21:09:08

Just - why? when you see the pix its so incomprehensible

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-69011665

Iam64 Wed 15-May-24 21:05:04

Disgusting act of vandalism
I find the idea they walk into court wearing balaclavas, face coverings irritating. Attention seeking idiots

Oreo Wed 15-May-24 21:02:10

All the institutions you mention are bothered by loss of revenue, but they needn’t worry cos the stump is now as famous as the tree and considered worthy of many a selfie.

Oreo Wed 15-May-24 20:59:44

Now now * Callistemon21*
Lets have this correct please.I thought there was hysteria surrounding the felling of this tree ( a couple of others thought so too) and OTT comments about it, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a wrong thing to do.It clearly was, but as stated there have been many worse tree related fellings carried out in the UK.
Yes I do think if anyone travelled there just to see the tree it was idiotic, imo.

Callistemon21 Wed 15-May-24 20:51:29

Oreo

Why? Did you travel there just to see a sycamore tree?

Well, you've called people who think it was very wrong to cut down such an old, iconic tree as suffering from hysteria and people from all over the world coming to see it as idiotic.

Presumably the Northumberland National Park Authority, the National Trust, Northumbria Police, the DPP and other interested parties are all idiotic too.

Lollin Wed 15-May-24 20:48:43

If, guilty of course!

Lollin Wed 15-May-24 20:48:07

Gone are the days when people tried to hide under coats or jackets now they stride with face masks or worse that awful full face covering! Once convicted they should have their photographs plastered all over the media no more cowardice shields.

Oreo Wed 15-May-24 20:44:41

There may have been a reason, may not have been mindless, I did wonder if they were the landowners who were tired of the picnicing and selfie takers there. Be interesting to see why.
Of course it could just have been a stunt or done for a bet.

Annypop Wed 15-May-24 20:40:44

Having walked Hadrian's Wall last year the section called Sycamore Gap is one of the most stunning. Whichever way you arrive, east or west you are met with amazing views on your descent with the Sycamore eventually coming into view. Everyone stops for their photo, people from all parts of the world on the same journey. A fabulous meeting point. Families picnic too on the grass nearby, again a gathering point for many locals. I, like many miss that tree and I'm proud that once I was able to give it a hug, magnificent in all its glory. So sad. What mindless vandals these men are to have destroyed it.

Oreo Wed 15-May-24 20:27:43

Why? Did you travel there just to see a sycamore tree?

Callistemon21 Wed 15-May-24 20:12:41

Well, I'd heard of the tree but didn't know it was in any film ....
Does that mean I'm only semi-idiotic?

Oreo Wed 15-May-24 20:10:16

If people were travelling from all over the place to see a tree and not there for Hadrians Wall or the lovely walks and scenery then they were idiotic.
It featured in a film, so what? I realise that local people will miss seeing it, and others may have fond memories of it, but come on people it’s just one tree, and the outrage and vitriol about the two men is on a par with a couple of serial killers.
I love trees too, who doesn’t and if they didn’t have a good reason to cut it down they should be fined, as should various Councils.

Casdon Wed 15-May-24 20:07:11

It’s how many people have heard of it, photographed it, photographed themselves next to it, travel specifically to a place to see it that determines what an iconic tree is - the only other one with that status that I can think of straight away is the Major Oak in Sherwood Forest.

Casdon Wed 15-May-24 20:03:14

Granarchist

Oreo is right. Round here swathes of oak trees have been felled for HS2 - it is absolutely heart wrenching. If I had felled one I would be (rightly) prosecuted. Sycamores are fast growing and not only that, the seed pods are fatally poisonous to many animals - this hysteria over one sycamore is ridiculous. I agree they shouldn't have done it but HS2 is causing real decimation of the landcape and nobody is held to account for it.

In my opinion Oreo isn’t right, because this particular tree was drawing people from other parts of the UK and further afield to that location, it was a tourist attraction. Of course cutting down trees unnecessarily is wrong wherever they are, and maybe people should protest more about that than they do, but this was more than that, it was wanton destruction of an icon.

Callistemon21 Wed 15-May-24 19:59:57

Oreo

Shelflife

It is simply unbelievable that anyone would do something so dreadful. I don't understand it.

So dreadful?
One tree is all no matter how ‘iconic’ .Plymouth Council cut down masses of lovely trees in the city centre last year as did councils elsewhere and many big building companies.
I think this one particular tree is causing hysteria.

Yes, that was mindless vandalism too and I am hopping mad about that!!

It was the Council Leader Richard Bingley who ordered it.
100 trees felled but the new Labour Council plans to replace them with 200 trees.
Although they were old trees, not one was particularly iconic like the Sycamore Gap tree.

Callistemon21 Wed 15-May-24 19:54:20

MayBee70

The look totally unapologetic about it. Annoyingly they probably won’t get much of a sentence or a fine because what they’ve done is far far worse than what they’ve technically done ( if that makes sense) because you can’t actually put a price on it.

Yes, it was priceless.
But there must be a suitable punishment.

Ignorant vandals.

Granarchist Wed 15-May-24 19:54:12

Oreo is right. Round here swathes of oak trees have been felled for HS2 - it is absolutely heart wrenching. If I had felled one I would be (rightly) prosecuted. Sycamores are fast growing and not only that, the seed pods are fatally poisonous to many animals - this hysteria over one sycamore is ridiculous. I agree they shouldn't have done it but HS2 is causing real decimation of the landcape and nobody is held to account for it.

Oldnproud Wed 15-May-24 19:52:37

Oreo

Shelflife

It is simply unbelievable that anyone would do something so dreadful. I don't understand it.

So dreadful?
One tree is all no matter how ‘iconic’ .Plymouth Council cut down masses of lovely trees in the city centre last year as did councils elsewhere and many big building companies.
I think this one particular tree is causing hysteria.

I have to admit that I have been thinking the same, but I thought I was alone.

As a nature-lover, I am very angry about what they have done, but don't think that the tree's 'fame' and the mass hysteria surrounding its felling really make this much worse than the wilful destruction of any other tree of comparable age and condition

bikergran Wed 15-May-24 19:36:58

Off on a diff subject but same as the " eat and dash couple" they were cocky enough to show their faces when they were stuffing their faces with free food, but on court day one wore a mask and the other tried to pull the hood down. "COWARDS"!

Anyone hiding behind a mask is a "COWARD"

M0nica Wed 15-May-24 19:03:27

I just saw the photos of them outside court. I think they are wearing something called a 'gimp mask'.

I am glad there was a court artist there because now we will know what they look like. I hope people will shun them.

Oreo Wed 15-May-24 18:56:43

Casdon

They must know what mindless vandalism they committed and that everywhere they go they will be reviled. I think as there will no doubt be a small court punishment only, their faces should be exposed if they are proved guilty, and then they will live with the consequences every day.

OTT much?😄

Oreo Wed 15-May-24 18:55:46

Shelflife

It is simply unbelievable that anyone would do something so dreadful. I don't understand it.

So dreadful?
One tree is all no matter how ‘iconic’ .Plymouth Council cut down masses of lovely trees in the city centre last year as did councils elsewhere and many big building companies.
I think this one particular tree is causing hysteria.

MayBee70 Wed 15-May-24 18:51:18

The look totally unapologetic about it. Annoyingly they probably won’t get much of a sentence or a fine because what they’ve done is far far worse than what they’ve technically done ( if that makes sense) because you can’t actually put a price on it.

Shinamae Wed 15-May-24 18:49:36

Scum..🤬