Coming soon! Spot a field, spot a cow.......

You will never win, cows fart so are not green, it seems it’s greener to have fields full of solar panels than crops.

The net zero lot won’t be happy until all our food is being shipped or flown in.

I this country deaths exceed births so the population already here is shrinking. The population growth is and has and will be coming from immigration.

How long this can go on for is doubtful. Most countries now have birth rates close to replacement rate and still falling, so legal migration may well end because qualified people will all be able to get jobs in their countries of origin. Then there are refugees, whether those numbers fall depends on world conflicts ending. Currently we have an American president who is a war monger and whose actions have forced many people to flee their countries and seek refuge elsewhere.

Cows only contribute to global warming if they are being reared in industrial conditions, fed food stuffs (maize and soya) that their digestions cannot cope with.

If cows are raised in natural conditions. Out to pasture all year long and grazing on pasture full of different plants, not only is the meat better for you, cows fart far less and through the way they are raised, sequester carbon in to the soil bringing their cntribution to global warming close to zero.

Pasture for Life meat is expensive but we dealt with it by halving our meat portion, a good thing to do anyway and replacing it with vegetables and beans.

Farming methods of the 50s and 60s was far better. Animals grazed, pooped and naturally fertilised the ground. No need for great quantities of manufactured fertiliser and no industrial farming feeding beasts on manufactured food. Large imports of food from around the globe and industrial farming, so why do people worry about the occasional cow fart? Look at the process from beginning to end.

In Exeter the same thing is happening. All those beautiful green fields around Gypsy Hill have all been taken over by the motorway, housing estates, the science park. It is such a shame to see all that beautiful countryside disappearing before my very eyes compared to when I was young.

I don't think Cows suffer from IBS. Do you?

Remember there being a fuss about cow farts and methane production.
Giving them a peppermint additive in their food. Giant Polo Mint?

Remember Sixties Hippies suggesting that the methane produced by cows. Could be used to fuel Power Stations.

Wow. Cow Power, Man. Far Out!

👍🐄🎇

Sago

You will never win, cows fart so are not green, it seems it’s greener to have fields full of solar panels than crops.

The net zero lot won’t be happy until all our food is being shipped or flown in.

It's not farting that's their problem, it's burping.
(most animals fart occassionally but cows burp huge amounts of methane)
I agree about seeing cows in fields, something I no longer take for granted but positivey enjoy.

WithNobsOnIt

I don't think Cows suffer from IBS. Do you?

Remember there being a fuss about cow farts and methane production.
Giving them a peppermint additive in their food. Giant Polo Mint?

Remember Sixties Hippies suggesting that the methane produced by cows. Could be used to fuel Power Stations.

Wow. Cow Power, Man. Far Out!

👍🐄🎇

Cows raised industrially, fed soya and maize, wintered and longer in sheds suffer from almosy constant stomach problems. Soya and maize are not part of a cows normal diet and they have difficulty digesting it.

That is why I have reduced our meat consumption to be able to afford Pasture for Life meat. Meat from animals grazed only on pasture and direct pasture products, like hay or silage from organic sources.

These animals do not have constant stomach and bowel problems and because their waste products go onto the fields they graze, making them more fertile. because as they graze they tread their waste products into the soil, there is no manure or slurry to be disposed off and the cattle produce fewer emissions. In some circumstances the cattle can be net contributors to global cooling.

Less than 10% of the UK is built on, 57% used for agriculture flying into our regional airports in southern England illustrates it well. The area feels built up in the urban and suburban areas, not far away are green fields, cows and sheep.
Access BBC land use database for your area.

Less animals in the UK makes no difference to climate change because more is imported and cows overseas produce just as much methane, forests are being cut down to feed them. No gain whatsoever, traceability and welfare goes out of the window, our own farmers are giving up they can't compete with cheap imported meat. Crops are no different but nobody cares where food comes from as long as it's cheap

M0nica

WithNobsOnIt

I don't think Cows suffer from IBS. Do you?

Remember there being a fuss about cow farts and methane production.
Giving them a peppermint additive in their food. Giant Polo Mint?

Remember Sixties Hippies suggesting that the methane produced by cows. Could be used to fuel Power Stations.

Wow. Cow Power, Man. Far Out!

👍🐄🎇

Cows raised industrially, fed soya and maize, wintered and longer in sheds suffer from almosy constant stomach problems. Soya and maize are not part of a cows normal diet and they have difficulty digesting it.

That is why I have reduced our meat consumption to be able to afford Pasture for Life meat. Meat from animals grazed only on pasture and direct pasture products, like hay or silage from organic sources.

These animals do not have constant stomach and bowel problems and because their waste products go onto the fields they graze, making them more fertile. because as they graze they tread their waste products into the soil, there is no manure or slurry to be disposed off and the cattle produce fewer emissions. In some circumstances the cattle can be net contributors to global cooling.

Monica you are so wrong, overseas, places like US, Australia, South America, cows and calves live out on the range or bush, grazing in much the same was they do the UK.
Calves are then gathered and put into giant feedlots to fatten on Maize, Soya Grain and growth hormones, welfare is non existent, environmental control is non existent you would be appalled by the condition
But I guess you don't care as long as it's cheap.

What about human methane? Maybe baked bens should be banned. My DF called them ‘little fart fruits’.

Beans!!

David49 what are you talking about? I buy 'Pasture for Life' meat, That is British bred cattle raised to the standards set by the UK group 'Pasture for Life pastureforlife.org

Pasture for Life standards are higher than organic. There is no question of me ever buying any meat that has not been raised in the UK.

I have lost track of the number of times I have said that I only buy Pasture for Life, I have made it clear every time that Pasture for Life is a British accredited group that it is expensive, but that I have reduced the amount I eat to make it possible for me to eat it.

I have also posted time without number that I buy this meat because of my concern for animal welfare

After all I have said so often over so many years about my concern for animal welfare and the reasons I buy 'Pasture for Life' meat - and exactly what that means I cannot express adequately how deeply I am offended by your baseless accusations that I do what I have always made clear, again and again and again I do not do.

What is the point of posting on a subject when the person who chooses to pontificate on my views cannot even be bothered to pay me the courtesy of actually knowing what my regularly expressed views are. What does it say about that persons personal attitude to me and my opinions?

M0nica

David49 what are you talking about? I buy 'Pasture for Life' meat, That is British bred cattle raised to the standards set by the UK group 'Pasture for Life pastureforlife.org

Pasture for Life standards are higher than organic. There is no question of me ever buying any meat that has not been raised in the UK.

I have lost track of the number of times I have said that I only buy Pasture for Life, I have made it clear every time that Pasture for Life is a British accredited group that it is expensive, but that I have reduced the amount I eat to make it possible for me to eat it.

I have also posted time without number that I buy this meat because of my concern for animal welfare

After all I have said so often over so many years about my concern for animal welfare and the reasons I buy 'Pasture for Life' meat - and exactly what that means I cannot express adequately how deeply I am offended by your baseless accusations that I do what I have always made clear, again and again and again I do not do.

What is the point of posting on a subject when the person who chooses to pontificate on my views cannot even be bothered to pay me the courtesy of actually knowing what my regularly expressed views are. What does it say about that persons personal attitude to me and my opinions?

Monica you were saying that imported meat is fattened out on grassland in a way that produces less pollution, that is not true. Some of these feedlots hold 100,000 cattle and are run by a few meat packing companies.

Well done you supporting Pasture for Life you can afford the extra cost, most imported meat goes into catering, ready meals, and processed food, the beef that goes into burgers is about as far removed from pasture as you can get and could come from anywhere.

I have never said imported meat is fattened on grassland. I have never ever mentioned imported meat. The whole of your first paragraph above is a fiction of your imagination. I have never said or supported any of the views you attribute to me.

I have only ever talked about British-raised Pasture for Life cattle and that in some cases, they are effectively carbon neutral or better because they graze on unimproved pasture from cradle to butchers slab and that supports a much wider range of plants than any improved pasture does. This is better for the cattle and they are healthier and require less vetinarary intervention than more industrially raised animals.

Since these animals also trample their own waste products into the land they sequester carbon and in some cases can, as a result be carbon neutral.

As for bought meat that remains a problem. As a result I buy in as little processed meat as I can. I buy very little manufactured food stuffs and we do not have takeaways (bar fish and chips), and when eating out I predominantly choose vegetarian options. I cannot remember when I last ate a beef burger. Certainly not for several years.

This whole question of price. Another issue I have covered again and again. Yes, Pasture for Life meat is expensive, but as I always point out to make it affordable I have halved the size of our average meat portion, this halves the price of meat per portion, which makes it close in price to supermarket prices, and is, of course much healthier for us because as we are always being told that we should be eating less meat and more beans and vegetables for the good of our health.

The net zero lot won’t be happy until all our food is being shipped or flown in.
That is so wrong!! Climate activists have long advocated growing and buying local to reduce air miles.

On the matter if house building I share the concern about building on green belt land. Around here in the depths of the rural Welsh borders, several new estates if varying sizes have been built and two things have happened: they have been for owner occupiers and too expensive for locals or young families and there have been problems finding buyers. And yet right opposite an estate where it has taken years to find buyers they are starting to build yet another on a large green field.

Confession.... I live in a newbuild semi in a group of 7 houses on what was a field on the edge of a village. All are owner-occupied ... none are locals, except me, and none would be affordable to young farm workers starting out.

Haven't you realised that more and more houses are being built because we keep letting any one from anywhere into our country.
I shall refrain from adding my opinions to this note.

By 2050, one quarter of the UK population will be older than 65.

We need more building to accommodate single old people, or multiple old people under the same roof.

As younger generations decide not to have babies, or not to commit to lifelong pairing, that's going to change their housing needs. Either, they will want single person homes; or they will have to share accommodation in HMOs

( just like my generation did when we left home to live in a rented home, bedsit, lodgings, or shared flat , often with people we hadn't met before, *because that was what we could afford*)

HMO is the way to go.

It's just too bad TPTB sullied the very term HMO life as the rock-bottom last resort of the no-hope desperate and homeless . Back in my day, shared "halls of residence" were were we learned social tolerance.

Witzend

What about human methane? Maybe baked bens should be banned. My DF called them ‘little fart fruits’.

Human sewage sludge can be loaded into anaerobic digesters. to produce methane , a natural gas that can be used to produce heat and electricity. Electricity can be used on site or exported to the National Grid, whilst the heat is used to keep the digesters at the right temperature. Re-using the heat makes this a very efficient process.

This is already happening in UK.

I do not agree that single households want one bedroomed accommodation. Ask any single person what kind of property they aspire to and they will almost invariably want a three bedroomed house with a garden. They may live in a one bedroomed flat, but they would love to move to somewhere more spacious. Do not confuse the minimum space someone may require with the space they would prefer.

We are fixated by this idea that any room above ground level is a bedroom. Why? Look at Rightmove and see in how many houses rooms upstairs are being used as offices, gyms, craft rooms, extra sitting areas, computer gaming rooms, play rooms. More single parents will mean more people wanting houses with space to accommodate children even if not full time.People need space for home offices.

I see no reason why the demand for HMOs should increase,

DD has recently bought a 5 'bedroomed' house. Two of the rooms described as 'bedrooms' are on the same floor as the living room. She uses one is a home office, the other is her craftroom as she always has several sewing or crafting projects on the go. At night as you drive along the road, you can often see into these 'bedrooms' on the living room floor, very few seem to be being used as bedrooms

We recently had a week away in Northumberland and were amazed how many cows there were - it took us both by surprise - they're more or less extinct where we live.

Excellent first post MOnica.