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Should we back the No More Page 3 campaign? Please let us know what you think...

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KatGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 20-Feb-14 16:25:28

We've been contacted by the No More Page 3 campaign to ask if we'd like to be added to their list of supporters, so we thought we'd put it to gransnetters to tell us what you think about the campaign.

The campaign started in the summer when Lucy Holmes found she couldn’t stop thinking about the fact that the largest female image in The Sun was of a young woman showing her breasts for men, even though Jessica Ennis had just won her gold Olympic medal.

We'd like to know your thoughts on the campaign, if you support it and your reasons behind it - and if you do support the campaign, if you've already signed the petition.

nightowl Thu 20-Feb-14 19:22:58

I can't believe we are still having to fight this misogyny and objecification of women in 2014. Of course it is right that gransnet should support this campaign.

Iam64 Thu 20-Feb-14 19:28:29

Another one supporting this campaign, and yes, gransnet should support it

oznan Thu 20-Feb-14 20:00:28

Didn't some MP try to get this banned years ago? I totally agree and have signed the petition.

nightowl Thu 20-Feb-14 20:19:30

Clare Short oznan in the 1980s. She was vilified, insulted in the press and in the HOC and treated appallingly. But she speaks warmly of the support she received from ordinary women. Thank goodness the campaign has been taken up by the next generation, who deserve our support.

Iam64 Thu 20-Feb-14 20:28:38

I agree nightowl, it gives the lie to those who say feminism is a spent force. What is surprising is how much resistance there is to those who speak out about the objectification of women. The way Clare Short was treated was dreadful, but there's been a spate of recent abusive/aggressive and threatening posts on Twitter to younger women who dare to criticise misogyny.

Agus Thu 20-Feb-14 22:04:57

I am glad to,have the opportunity to sign this petition and definitely think GN should support it.

I don't blame the males who buy this trash, I am angrier at the females who still insist on portraying females as sex objects.

Oldgreymare Thu 20-Feb-14 22:35:50

YES!

POGS Fri 21-Feb-14 01:01:44

Oh dear I am going it alone on this one.

Sorry I am not signing this petition and I know I am going to upset many GN's I have respect for.

I do not buy nor read the Sun paper so I certainly do not consider I have any right to tell another person what they can read or what paper they should spend their money on. I get quite cross when I am told by others what I should or should not read so I would be a hypocrit if I did the same to others.

I would also like to say that if Gransnet ever became the source of a social media petition that wanted to shut down a thread we were involved in I would be furious to think that some people who were not members nor contributors to Gransnet dared to intervene and tell us how we should behave.

I am not a fan of page 3, I am not a fan of many papers but I have never insulted anybody for their choice of paper and I think the Sun and it's readers have to make their own decisions, after all if you don't like the paper don't buy it or read it

I know I have 'gone against the majority' in this instance but I do feel strongly I have no right to chastise somebody for their choice of newspaper.

sunseeker Fri 21-Feb-14 09:05:22

No-one is trying to dictate to anyone about their choice of newspaper Pogs, rather the way that women are shown in some newspapers. The image that page 3 presents of women is demeaning. Lets put it another way, what if instead of a half naked woman it was a picture of a black person in chains, a bit extreme I know but bear with me, then there would, of course, be protests about the disrespect being shown to the whole black race. Well, as far as I am concerned, page 3 shows disrespect to all women.

Its not just page 3 that I dislike, I don't like the top shelf magazines but at least they are aimed at a particular market who, one would hope, don't leave them lying around for children to see, whereas newspapers are.

lefthanded Fri 21-Feb-14 09:59:06

If I can offer a male perspective here - I have never read The Sun and I am never likely too so on a personal level it doesn't matter to me whether the Page 3 continues or not. But I am a little worried about the implications to the right of free speech. If we ban Page 3 - what next?

Riverwalk Fri 21-Feb-14 10:59:45

lefthanded I for one don't care if men want to buy lads mags/Playboy for their own entertainment but what I do object to are pornographic images of women being so visible in everyday situations, such as someone reading The Sun on the bus and Page 3 is visible for all to see.

janerowena Fri 21-Feb-14 11:19:45

I have always hated the Sun, because of page 3. I feel it should be kept under the counter with all the other porn, not classified as a newspaper at all.

I went to the Drs a few weeks ago and parked next to an elderly couple. She got out and as I got out I saw him reaching into the glove compartment for a paper. As I locked up I saw him head straight for page 3. It wasn't the fact that an eighty year old was reading it that shocked me, it was the fact that he hid it from his wife. Not even just that in fact, it made me feel very uneasy, in the same way that all those awful undies ads on the London tube mademe keep my eyes down. I felt humiliated.

It's all about the way it makes us feel, surely. If we feel we are being bullied, then we are being bullied.

Put the Sun in a brown paper bag under the counter where it belongs.

annodomini Fri 21-Feb-14 12:06:56

I've supported the campaign for some time and would have no problem in Gransnet backing it. The attitude to women Page 3 typifies is demeaning.

strek Fri 21-Feb-14 13:01:29

POGS, you don't have to buy the Sun to be affected by page 3. It does seem to end up everywhere, ie it is left on train seats. The Sun actually targets children with offers like free Lego and then advertises this on children's tv.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOoQxDOxPho Soft porn with free lego?!

strek Fri 21-Feb-14 13:03:28

Lefthanded - you mention the word ban. The No More Page 3 campaign is asking the Sun editor nicely to stop this 1970's thrownack of having titty pics in a NEWSpaper. No ban is being sort.

lefthanded Fri 21-Feb-14 13:26:06

strek - point taken - but I still fear that this is the thin end of a censorship wedge. I know that our press is far from perfect, but the freedom that it enjoys is widely envied internationally.

Eloethan Fri 21-Feb-14 13:39:10

Yes.

strek Fri 21-Feb-14 15:18:20

Our press is either brilliant or absolutely awful (hacking the phones of murdered school children!). Page 3 belongs on the 'awful' side I think. I support No More Page 3 100%.

GadaboutGran Fri 21-Feb-14 15:30:22

Yes.

I don't think this is a 'censorship' issue - more one of persuading people that these type of photos are demeaning & have consequences. I think we accept that free speech is never entirely free & does not include certain categories such as anything illegal or discriminatory.

cactus60 Fri 21-Feb-14 21:08:43

yes, they wouldn't show mens nuts on page 4 would they so why show boobs

Caramac Fri 21-Feb-14 21:20:14

I have already signed this and am so pleased to see the support from other Grans and some of the witty replies!

cactus60 Fri 21-Feb-14 21:28:43

Ok boobs on page 3, nuts on page 4, willies on page 5, maybe!
Be good for readership!! There s no equality for women no matter how hard we try, the men will always win. However women are superior to men aren't we

feetlebaum Fri 21-Feb-14 22:03:53

This is of no importance to me - but what difference would it make to impose a ban of this nature? Do you think it would alter the way woman are treated? No, of course it wouldn't.

Breasts aren't obscene - unless you are American, I suppose (remember the ridiculous furore over Janet Jackson and her 'wardrobe malfunction'?) But kicking up a rumpus about them will make them seem so. I'm sure the ladies of Gransnet would not wish it to progress to the stage of mandatory Burka wearing..! It's only a matter of degree, isn't it?

Grannyknot Fri 21-Feb-14 22:17:08

I don't buy The Sun, and I photographs of young topless women posing on page 3 seems incredibly dated somehow.

I can never understand why the models (or whatever they are) willingly participate. So should there not also be a campaign to ask women nicely to please not demean themselves by posing topless for a Page 3 photo?

janerowena Fri 21-Feb-14 22:22:37

I have no problem with photos of womens' breasts, it's the posing I object to. The photos are sexual, not just snaps of someone innocently sunbathing without makeup, or breastfeeding. Stopping it might not make a huge difference, but every little helps.