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thatbags Wed 18-Feb-15 20:53:33

Just tell the Italians that it's the Germanic words they find difficult and that's fine because Italian isn't a Germanic language. Simple explanation smile

loopylou Wed 18-Feb-15 20:34:43

There's no way on earth I can explain that to them thatbags! Over to DS and DDIL for that explanation me thinks grin

rascal Wed 18-Feb-15 20:26:38

This is great and very interesting!

LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 18-Feb-15 20:05:15

<finishes dinner> I'm back! And it's fixed - all cake rations have been suspended at HQ as penance. Thanks for your eagle eye.

thatbags Wed 18-Feb-15 19:54:39

Those spellings tend to be based on old words that had different pronunciations from current ones, e.g. cough is from Middle English coughen, cf Dutch kuchen, German keuchen (küchen?) or keichen to gasp.

loopylou Wed 18-Feb-15 19:19:23

Now just try explaining the pronunciation of:
Bough, Cough, Though, Thought, Trough, Dough, Joust, Loud, Noun, Would, Youth etc to my DS's Italian in-laws....... hmm

Elegran Wed 18-Feb-15 18:56:58

Simples. What were you worrying about, Jings ?

Elegran Wed 18-Feb-15 18:55:51

I before e
Except after c
If it sounds like ee.

Feisty heist and beige foreign neighbour are not ee

Words from foreign sources are exceptions to the rule. Not sure where protein come from but it has a furrin look. Ah! Reference dictionary says it is from French/German /Greek - the Greek e + i would be pronounced separately as protee-in, must have got itself elided.

dictionary.reference.com/browse/protein

Nelliemoser Wed 18-Feb-15 18:54:09

That's the problem with our English language. It's very illogical. George Bernard Shaw put it well.

"Ghoti is a constructed word used to illustrate irregularities in English spelling. It is a respelling of the word fish, and is intended to be pronounced in the same way (/ˈfɪʃ/), using these sounds:"

gh, pronounced [f] as in tough
o, pronounced [ɪ] as in women
ti, pronounced [ʃ] as in nation

grin

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 18-Feb-15 18:51:03

L U C Y !!!

Come back and shut 'em up fix it.

Ana Wed 18-Feb-15 18:45:56

What about protein? Can't say that's not an 'ee' sound.

Pittcity Wed 18-Feb-15 18:42:27

Unless you are running a feisty heist on a weird beige foreign neighbour...

Ana Wed 18-Feb-15 18:41:46

Unless it's 'weird'...

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 18-Feb-15 18:37:10

I before e except after c, when the diphthong rhymes with ee.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 18-Feb-15 18:36:12

As I said before - repeating myself now!

It's the 'diphthong' that has to rhyme with ee. My teacher said.

Crafting Wed 18-Feb-15 18:35:00

So that's I before e except after c ....except when it isn't confused

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 18-Feb-15 18:33:42

In this instance it's a case of 'receive' or 'recieve'.

Ana Wed 18-Feb-15 18:32:19

But...weird is an ee sound (sort of)

vegasmags Wed 18-Feb-15 18:26:47

Don't forget the second part jings - but only when the sound is 'ee'.
Hence weird.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 18-Feb-15 17:37:49

here

Says 'recieve' twice.

LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 18-Feb-15 17:32:40

Hmm... where you looking Jingl?

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 18-Feb-15 17:26:08

...to the HQr in charge of competitions, that it is i before e except after c.

Ta.