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GrannyTwice Wed 22-Apr-15 09:23:34

There are some situations where as well as deleting a post I think HQ should do more than just refer to its own guidelines but put in more of explanation. This is especially so as the site has such light touch real time moderation. The potentially libellous comment about ET was one issue but much worse was the post on the thread about the two girls being locked in their bedroom. The post that was deleted gave enough information for the family to be identified especially as we all know so much about the poster in RL including her name. This was an irresponsible post which potentially put the well being of two already vulnerable children at risk and I think HQ should have said something on the thread if only to remind us that GN is a completely open forum to which anyone has access. Most of us don't know each other in RL and even what we think we know each other on here , there will in some cases be a fabrication - we've had some dodgy posters in the past and they were the ones that were obviously dodgy. I know I'll get flamed for ths but really feel it's important - in RL much of my work is predicated on the need for confidentiality so it's in my DNA and I'm very aware of the dangers of gossipy comments made in inappropriate situations. Even if we don't have a professional duty to respect confidentiality, we all have a moral duty, especially in the case of vulnerable children. The gossipy, outrageous behaviour of the TA should have been reported IMO for example rather than broadcast on GN. We shouldn't be indulging in titilating gossip in situations like this - there's plenty of other opportunities

pompa Thu 23-Apr-15 08:10:02

I'm terminally confused. Pompa is dragged off by men in white coats, gibbering quietly to himself confused.

soontobe Thu 23-Apr-15 07:56:27

JessM. I dont think I am terminally confused. Look at the end of Cari's third paragraph.

JessM Thu 23-Apr-15 07:48:12

Soontobe you seem to be terminally confused.
If someone has had a post deleted because it breaks the rules or risks legal action and they re-posted it, they could get them selves banned from GN.
If people do not want to be anonymous that is fine (I am not a fan of anonymity online myself and my identity is no secret.)
If people want to pour their identifiable hearts out, that is also fine as long as they are aware that it is like writing the details on big sheets of paper and posting them on their front lawn.
Revealing identifiable details about other private individuals is never a good idea.
roseqartz you too seem to be confused. The people in the GN office are busy, they do not sit there all day filing their nails and reading the forums. They are working on all the other bits of the site. They rely on members to let them know of anything that has been posted that they need to check. It is not sneaking - just sharing the responsibility for keeping the forums civilised. And this is one of the more civilised ones.

absent Thu 23-Apr-15 07:45:06

soontobe What you have posted in the last couple of you posts is totally incomprehensible. Please would you clarify what you are talking about as none of it makes one iota of sense to me.

soontobe Thu 23-Apr-15 07:34:15

I think that this thread[and may be this is not the thread to discuss it], has brought up the issue of whether and when it is ok for posters to post identifiying details, and are quite happy to do so, and want them left to stand.

gransnet HQ post effectively said that that is ok.
It seems like they are happy to delete, but the poster is allowed to repost the same thing if the poster is happy to do so, having thought about it some more.

So both POGS and phoenix[if she wanted], can repost if they are happy to do so. So long as they say that they have been told it is fine to do so.
[by whom I wasnt exactly sure].
It looks to me, that POGS can repost.

Leticia Thu 23-Apr-15 07:17:37

The voice of common sense Eloethan.
I have come late to this but it seems a very unpleasant thread.
It makes me even more convinced than anything that is too personal and could identify a person should not be posted.

soontobe Thu 23-Apr-15 07:17:34

ja - "the whole of Gransnet". Hardly, not even on the actual thread.
Though I someetimes wonder if there should be a limit put on the number of posters who are allowed to disagree on one thread with another poster. Though dont see how that would work really.

Eloethan - I assume that she gets it from gransnet HQ[she has said that she had lots of emails over the weekend]. I cant see where else it would come from.

* Gransnet is unlikely to want to retain posts that might have the possibility of being libellous.*
That part has been left hanging in the air. I assume that if a poster wants a post to stay, but gransnet does not, then it has to go?
From what gransnet said, they are going to look into changing words, so we may have to see what comes out of it all.

janeainsworth Thu 23-Apr-15 03:30:52

Well said Eloethan

Eloethan Thu 23-Apr-15 02:05:57

Cari said that because of the volume of posts on the site, Gransnet does to some extent rely on Gransnetters to flag up posts which they feel may contravene the guidelines.

GrannyTwice stated her views about certain posts and why she felt they were unacceptable. She also said that she had reported them. As I think absent said, possibly other Gransnetters had also reported them.

rosequartz You said to GrannyTwice "you are as free as you like to be "class sneak", the clear inference being that GT, and presumably anyone else reporting a post, is a "class sneak".

rosesarered You say you don't like being bullied. You said in response to GrannyTwice's comment, "hmm, why do we all doubt that?". Bullies commonly try to isolate a person from a group, putting them at odds with the group and creating a sort of "gang mentality". As a few others have said, you cannot speak for "all" on this site - and you don't speak for me either.

POGS I don't know where you got your assurances that your comments were not libellous but, as Cari indicated, the issue of libel is particularly complex and Gransnet is unlikely to want to retain posts that might have the possibility of being libellous.

durhamjen Wed 22-Apr-15 23:54:36

I agree with janea and absent. Nobody can claim to speak for me.

janeainsworth Wed 22-Apr-15 23:45:41

Blimey! I go out for the day and come back to this.
Just for the record, like absent I too would like to dissociate myself from the post saying that everyone doubted that GT is nicer in RL than on the forum. Can't be bothered to look back and see whose post it was.
I haven't met GT in RL but I am happy to give her the benefit of the doubt and more importantly, I don't like the idea of the whole of Gransnet ganging up on one particular member.

Anne58 Wed 22-Apr-15 22:51:37

^ I just can't be bothered to debate at this level - the low altitude gives me a headache.^

How very rude!

rosequartz Wed 22-Apr-15 22:44:42

What does my post say about me?
It says I have developed a thicker skin since being on here and it also says that I don't like being bullied. It says too that there is no point in continuing a discussion when the other party descends to using abusive adjectives.
And that I agree with you - we are free to report other people.
I thought that was fairly clear.

moon

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 22-Apr-15 22:41:57

I think this whole thread needs deleting. NOW!

People are getting hurt.

Anne58 Wed 22-Apr-15 22:39:07

GrannyTwice Shame on me? For what, exactly? There were no names mentioned in my post. Shame on everyone else on GN that didn't report it? So it would seem "shame" on everyone except you!

Now, I'm off to bed, feel free to rant away to your hearts content, but be careful all that venom and bile doesn't give you heartburn.

moon

GrannyTwice Wed 22-Apr-15 22:34:52

Rose - what does your last post say about you? I just can't be bothered to debate at this level - the low altitude gives me a headache. There is clearly nothing more to be said as no one is going to shift position are they?

rosequartz Wed 22-Apr-15 22:26:56

why not try proper debate
I tried that on other threads GT only to be called names by you which brought any discussion to a halt.

we are free to report
Of course you are. It's not against the rules.
I did not call anyone the 'class sneak' but you may take that mantle if you wish.
Please feel free.

GrannyTwice Wed 22-Apr-15 22:07:02

FfFS - class sneak? Why don't some of you just grow up? I actually think that saying I'd reported what I did is the complee antithesis of being a sneak. I actually don't care much about the Pogs thing and et but I do bloody care about Phoenix's post that would have allowed that family and therefore those two girls to be identified if someone had so wished . Shame on you Phoenix for that post, shame on those of you who didn't report it and thought it was fine and shame on those of you just joining in having a go at me and even bringing in that comment from anothe thread about my being nicer in real life. Well done HQ for your shabby part in all this.

janerowena Wed 22-Apr-15 22:04:03

I think the mods on here are excellent.

I do wish we had a delete button though, for when we have second thoughts.

Katek Wed 22-Apr-15 21:57:03

Never put anything in writing you don't want on the front page.

My internet rule.

Mishap Wed 22-Apr-15 21:33:47

I do not have any problem with how Gransnet moderate. Anyone can report a post and there is no need for anyone else to know that this has happened, Gnet will make their decision according to the rules and life goes on.

I once had a post of mine deleted and, on reflection, I felt that the right decision had been made. No problem.

POGS Wed 22-Apr-15 21:27:16

You are correct soontobe.

I have soutra.

pompa Wed 22-Apr-15 21:25:23

flowers

soontobe Wed 22-Apr-15 21:20:37

If you look carefully at her posts Soutra, you can tell that that is what POGS is really after.

soontobe Wed 22-Apr-15 21:18:48

Peace and love rosequartz grin