Do you remember wayback when.........

A difficult amount to quantify easily, of people enjoy being unkind.

Sadly what we can quantify is the amount of people in society who have had their lives upset by those kinds of people

I've never understood that personally, I find the opposite to be true

It seems clear to me there is no orchestration, or at least, I haven't seen any evidence of that

JaneJudge

I'm thinking of asking GNHQ if they can set up an axe grinding section

Good idea?

Wasn't this all said at the weekend over 20 pages or whatever it was before the thread was deleted.

Time for a cup of tea ☕

I'm thinking of asking GNHQ if they can set up an axe grinding section

Again, there's a happy medium. Pressing the report button every time somebody upsets you or annoys you or starts a thread that is not to your liking is trying to control the forum and impose your own rules on it.

Disagreeing, in principle, with reporting and calling it 'snitching' is a bit Malory Towers. Some posts really cross a line and some posters can be incredibly nasty and members of the forum should not feel they have to turn a blind eye.

icanhandthemback the problem arises when “some people” do not get the response they want from GNHQ so derail the thread or incite responses that get the thread deleted.

There is a member that openly admits she reports often, which I do not like as nobody has been elected thread monitor.

Perfect sense.

It does. But it doesn't alter the fact that what might seem to me worthy of a report might not to you, (or vice versa), so anyone making what I see to be offensive remarks will be reported far more than someone saying the same things to you, so is far more likely to be moderated.

The problem, as I see it, is that the dreaded 'Some People' are a lot more likely to report things than others, so anyone daring to say something that offends them (whoever they are) will be more likely to get suspended than someone saying similar things to others.

If the posts that are reported are moderated though, the mods won't ban, suspend or delete if they aren't offensive. The way to stop "some people" from reporting is not to be offensive. That way, "some people" will give up reporting if nothing is done about the posts they report. I hope that makes sense.

I started this thread on the 12th August because that day there had been what I considered rather unpleasant postings, just my observation of what was happening on GN's at that time. There is absolutely no 'orchestration' on my part. What happened at the weekend between MN & GN could have been provoked by what was happening last week on some of the threads, manipulated possibly by who knows who, but the fact that this was resurrected, and has continued for several pages does possibly indicate that there is some concern about how and by who the site is moderated.

These threads pop up frequently. Many get deleted which is why there's no record of them. They pop up frequently on Mumsnet as well.

I wouldn't read too much into it.

Well no, one can just try and imagine why - after the mumsnet one, and two similar ones here? I have no idea.

But 'orchestration' is meant not to be seen- it normally happens behind closed doors.

It's on the same subject more or less but appears to have been started before the deleted one.
Site stuff doesn't get as much traffic as chat, so it's moving along more slowly and calmly.
Not seeing any orchestration.

Fleurpepper

GrannyGravy13

This is turning into a duplicate of the thread which was deleted the other day, minus all the new posters/lurkers which haven’t posted since (that I have seen)

Yes, and why, I wonder? Some 'orchestration' at play? Why?

Absolutely no idea, just perusing GN whilst having a coffee, and noticed the similarities between the deleted thread and this one.

Sara1954

Granny
I agree, bit more civilised though,
So far!

Yes it is staying very civil.

Maybe the moderation could be stronger and more consistent than it is at the moment. Also maybe clearer reasons as to why a post is removed. Or maybe a note from the moderator, letting the post stand but saying 'please do not personally attack posters/troll hunt' etc

It might give a clearer indication of what behaviour is acceptable and what is not.

Sara1954

Granny
I agree, bit more civilised though,
So far!

Yes, I was just going to say that ?.

I don't think there is an announcement when someone is banned - usually I hear about it when someone refers to it, (often in defence of the banned person) and appeals for clemency. I think that people are suspended far more than being banned, and assume that that is what is meant by the naughty step.

The problem, as I see it, is that the dreaded 'Some People' are a lot more likely to report things than others, so anyone daring to say something that offends them (whoever they are) will be more likely to get suspended than someone saying similar things to others. As we've said upthread, we all have different triggers, and some are more used to rough and tumble discussions than others. This can make it seem that there is uneven moderation - and sometimes there is - as GN is post-moderated much depends on (a) what is reported, and (b) who picks up the report. The rules are very vague, so it's not aways clear whether something contravenes them or not. I don't think it's a case of 'as adults we should know' - if we see people doing something with no comeback it's natural to assume that it's ok.

I post on a few boards, and different customs apply on each, which can confuse people, too. As a (hopefully non-contentious) example, on one I use it is considered very bad form to post without reading the thread first, so anyone saying the same thing as someone else is roundly pulled up for it. Here, that seems to be perfectly acceptable, but those, like me, who are used to it being considered very rude, have to get used to that. There will be many better examples, but I hope that one makes the point. Some boards are a lot tougher than others, plus people have very different views on things like swearing.

I suppose it's a bit like travelling to countries with different ways of doing things and seeming to be offensive because you haven't picked up on the local customs. That was a lot-winded way of saying I don't think that it's black and white.

GrannyGravy13

This is turning into a duplicate of the thread which was deleted the other day, minus all the new posters/lurkers which haven’t posted since (that I have seen)

Yes, and why, I wonder? Some 'orchestration' at play? Why?

Granny
I agree, bit more civilised though,
So far!

This is turning into a duplicate of the thread which was deleted the other day, minus all the new posters/lurkers which haven’t posted since (that I have seen)

Fluerpepper
I don’t know how you would know if someone was banned, they couldn’t tell us could they?
No one seems to take it seriously anyway.

or e-mail or phone calls outside the group, as a banned poster would not be able to post here. Do you know how it works?

Galaxy

Are people getting ban after ban? I think it was kandinsky who mentioned 2 bans then its permanent suspension. I had that sort of figure in my head from MN but I dont know if I am making it up! Someone flouncing and then coming back isnt a ban.

How would anyone know if someone has been 'banned' - or if someone has just chosen to step out for a while? Unless it is by pm? Does GN moderation team publish the info on bans + reason?

Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree. You can’t force your opinions into someone else, in real life we wouldn’t be so strident because we wouldn’t want to lose friends.

I work with a man whose opinions and mine couldn’t be more different, we sometimes have a bit of a laugh at each other’s expense, but we have remained very good friends for about 25 years.

I think it’s because despite different opinions, we are similar people.

I have seen posters sniggering about having been on the norty step 'again'.

Are people getting ban after ban? I think it was kandinsky who mentioned 2 bans then its permanent suspension. I had that sort of figure in my head from MN but I dont know if I am making it up! Someone flouncing and then coming back isnt a ban.