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is anyone else considering their carbon footprint?

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Grammaretto Fri 04-Oct-19 13:01:06

Sorry if I come across as a party pooper but twice recently people who have been on climate change protests and cry when they watch the TV programmes about melting ice, extreme weather and homeless animals, have also caught planes because they say:

trains are too slow and prohibitively expensive

Isn't it about time we/they woke up to the fact that we are part of the problem ?
What do others think?

I would be truly interested to know. I see on facebook today several friends are jetting off on their third or fourth trip this year. I have flown when there is no other choice, or driven my petrol car, but I always first consider the alternative - which is often far more fun and part of the holiday. Train to Europe for example.

When I was young we holidayed once a year, in the UK, whatever the weather. We didn't go abroad until I was in my late teens.

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 11:44:52

Who are not doing what right? confused

I don't think you and I are on the same page notanan8.

Did you really not know who XR are?

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 11:27:28

And what? Because you dont think they're doing it right nobody else should bother trying to do the right thing?

Wierd point of view but okay..

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 11:02:14

rebellion.earth/

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 10:56:41

What's XR?

gillybob Sun 06-Oct-19 10:52:12

You should not be made to feel sorry for catching a plane henetha . Plenty of the XR hypocrites do it . They just don’t want the likes of us to .

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 10:46:34

I don't think anyone knows what youre on about gonegirl.

gillybob Sun 06-Oct-19 10:41:33

Well you’ve got me even more confused now .

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 10:36:14

I'm not threatening! I'm not involved!

Just saying, XR might be in the news again the next couple of weeks.

And you know quite well what I'm "on about".

gillybob Sun 06-Oct-19 10:33:14

Get the boot in...

What are you on about Gonegirl confused

its all starting up again tomorrow

Sounds like a nasty threat to me. You must feel so proud.

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 10:26:27

Carbon offsetting:

Most forestries destroy ecosystems. Marshland/healthland/bogland absorb and hold tonnes of carbon and are stripped and drained loosing biodiversity and releasing a shocking amount of carbon so that often non native timber species which effectively sterilise the soil can be planted for profit

And now forestries have somehow greenwashed and rebranded themselves so that they get free money with these offsetting schemes! You really couldnt make it up...

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 10:22:15

Shame we won't be around to see just how un-idiotic XR actually are.

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 10:20:55

Get the boot in wherever you can Gillybob. Why not? hmm

It's all starting up again tomorrow.

henetha Sun 06-Oct-19 10:20:31

I spent 9 hours on a train to Scotland this summer in an effort to help the environment. It was overcrowded (I did reserve a seat but someone sat in it), noisy, uncomfortable and seemed to take forever. When it was time to come home I caught a plane..... sorry!

gillybob Sun 06-Oct-19 10:11:31

I think carbon offsetting is disgraceful. It means those with money can pollute the environment as much as they like

I totally agree with you Eloethan . It’s fine for them, they are allowed to fly all over the world but think that paying someone to plant a few trees makes it all okay .
Their conscience is clear.

Firecracker123 Sun 06-Oct-19 08:32:07

I'm in Turkey at the moment and you can't drink the tap water so the only alternative is bottled water that is sold everywhere. Also plastic straws from coconut and fruit drinks also sold everywhere.

When my children were younger I couldn't afford to go abroad but now I'm retired I'm certainly not worrying about my carbon footprint.

Grammaretto Sun 06-Oct-19 08:22:24

I've been reading the latest posts on here and my immediate thought was WOW!! When I posted yesterday I thought I'd get a couple of replies but it seems like an explosion. Isn't this proof that we are waking up in our communities? Something is happening and though sometimes we despair, its good to know we appreciate eachother's efforts at frugality.

Although I get bogged down by my daily irritations such as plastic litter and why do people drive 2 minutes to the paper shop in their 4x4's , you have helped show me a bigger and better picture.
Don't give up!

Dottynan Sun 06-Oct-19 06:54:40

72 per cent of co2 emissions are from road transportation
13.4 per cent of co2 emissions are from civil aviation. Just maybe if we shopped locally and didn't buy on line it might help. Lets try and get local shops going again. I also agree with Eccie53. Get the world population down and less of everything is used

Saetana Sun 06-Oct-19 01:05:18

My husband and I are on a low income due to him being disabled - my husband flew once in his teens and I was a small child the last time I flew. On the rare occasions we visited Europe in the past we either went by ferry or coach/ferry. We can't afford a car so have to use public transport and we holiday in the UK, also using public transport. The screeching middle classes who are banging on about climate change are the worst offenders - did you know that one wood-burning stove bangs out more pollution than 6 arctic lorries? And don't get me started on what we call "Clifton Tractors" (others may know them as Chelsea Tractors) - 4 wheel drive vehicles used exclusively in the city centre! We recycle, re-use or donate everything we possibly can. The hypocrasy of the sort of people who embrace Extinction Rebellion is staggering!

BradfordLass72 Sun 06-Oct-19 00:58:10

Over 20 years ago I started a campaign: Please Don't Kill a Tree

Asking people not to buy and then discard, a few days later, a cut Christmas tree. I suggested they buy an evergreen with roots which could be de-potted and put into the garden at New Year.
Or purchase one of the many artificial trees in the stores.

It had a webpage with statistics about how many millions of trees were cut and then left on the kerbside, to be burned by local Councils.
What a sad waste of a beautiful tree.

I don't suppose that campaign, which ran for years, made any difference at all.

I shan't be having any sort of Xmas tree this year.

I would never buy a real one and all the others in the shops are plastic. I don't own the garden round my home so couldn't plant a potted tree.

But if you have room in your garden to replant an evergreen, you might consider a potted tree with roots, rather than one condemned to die after Christmas.

Potted trees look beautful, especially when decorated.
When the children were young, we used shells and inherited glass ornaments and folded paper butterflies on ours.

I hate to think how many trees are now being sacrificed as we move back to paper.

Chestnut Sat 05-Oct-19 23:58:28

The number of plastic drink bottles produced is just staggering. Now they have big machines where you can bring them back and get a refund. Why not just have re-usable drink containers or flasks and stop making flippin' plastic drink bottles! And why do people need to keep drinking water and fizzy drinks all the time?

Eloethan Sat 05-Oct-19 23:43:35

I do feel a bit torn about this. We don't fly very often - usually (short haul) only once a year - but I suppose we really shouldn't fly at all. My husband's family is a long haul flight away. We've been married for 47 years and have gone there four times, which I don't think is excessive. He needs to see his family and I want to see them too.

Some people fly a lot - my friend went on 14 holidays abroad last year. If those people could even halve the flights they made it would make a difference, though, of course, it would be preferable to limit them even more.

These huge cruise ships - like floating towns - are very polluting too.

Given that all these things are so bad for the environment, it makes me wonder how sensible and moral it is to encourage overseas travel and to air such tempting adverts for overseas destinations. But then I suppose to try to curb such adverts would lead to cries of "police state", etc, etc. But if our environment is in such danger, perhaps desperate - and undemocratic - measures should be considered.

I try to make some sacrifices - mostly take re-usable container with water when I travel, have stopped buying liquid soap in dispensers, I mostly use public transport, eat almost no meat, etc, etc. But I know there is so much more I should be doing and I need to try harder.

I think carbon offsetting is disgraceful. It means those with money can pollute the environment as much as they like. Rationing - as was done in the war - would be a fairer method but a bureaucratic nightmare. I think people's behaviour will gradually change but will that change be too slow to reverse the damage?

Pippa22 Sat 05-Oct-19 23:26:32

I am flying off on holiday on Monday and can’t say I feel guilty about it. In
between holidays I try to do what I can to recycle whatever I can, don’t buy fruit and veg wrapped in plastic. However there is so much that can’t be recycled so what can we do about that ?

gillybob Sat 05-Oct-19 23:13:03

Moocow don’t feel guilty . Why should you ? We were also told that diesel was the way forward . My car is 7 year old there no way I could afford to “right it off” and replace it. I live in a terrace anyway so no chance of a charging point. I have never taken a long haul flight ever but if I had the money I would LOVE to go to Nashville ( in my next life ???) we cannot let ourselves feel guilty for living .

gillybob Sat 05-Oct-19 23:06:22

Just worked out tonight (pretty much as I always knew) that my entire family live within a 5 mile radius of me . I look after the older and the younger generations and have very little time of my own, therefore I refuse to be guilt tripped by the idiot XR’s who often fly /drive/sail??? / the world preaching their crap !

Moocow Sat 05-Oct-19 22:53:57

Used to take a bus and train to get to work then the bus timings changed and i had to start driving to work.
Bought a diesel car when we were told best, now feel so guilty but cannot afford to change it. Trying to save up the money so that we can though.
Took my first long haul flight two years ago after years of saving and the money having to go towards other things. Did i feel guilty, yes but managed it as it had been a lifetime dream.
I scrimp and save and will continue to as it was the way I was brought up, not to waste anything and to wait until you can afford to pay cash.
People used to laugh at my mobile - £10 from about 20 years ago. Everyone (NHS, Council, government offices) wants me to get a smartphone but that's one thing I'm coping without in this ultra fast demanding world of ours.
Do i feel guilty using uo electricity using this devise to chat online while it's using uo battery and electricity - yep!