is anyone else considering their carbon footprint?

I think foodstuffs are the least part of the problem. Palm oil is in more than just food.

Yes. And a lot of those products are "wants" not "needs" so switching for the palm oil free version doesnt address the true cause of the problem!

But food waste is a huge problem
We are eating more than we need
And buying more than we eat.

Food waste actually has a higher overall environmental impact than single use plastic packaging, but once again, one small aspect of the problem is scapegoated so that we dont need to really change our habits!

Palm oil has become an evil crop. For reasons I have already mentioned.

No point going over old ground on here.

I agree about food waste.

Because who would markey that?

Who is going to make a viral ad telling you to stop shopping so much?

Nobody

They will make ads about palm oil so you come and buy lots of palm oil free stuff

They will make ads about reducing plastic packaging so that you keep buying more food than you need or use.

"market"

A big part of the problem is our (often habitual) use of heating and cooling. It's an area where we can make a big difference. Wrap up warm when it's chilly, don't super-heat your whole house and consider whether you really need to use the air con in your car quite so much.

If we are to consider how to provide for lots of people whilst using up minimum resources/polution, it is high yeld things like palm oil we should be looking at!

But its fashionable and convenient to villify Palm oil so that wont happen

Agree Hetty.

But have you seen some of the "green tarif" ads?

"When you use our green tarif you are helping the environment"

NO YOU'RE NOT you are still using resources!!

Yes they may be "lesser evil" resources (not always, some green tarifs are not so green..) but you are not doing the environment a FAVOUR by running your heating/drier etc..

All these things are giving people an excuse to believe that they can be "green" without really giving anything up or being inconvenienced

Everything that Palm oil production can be guilty of, Soy production can be guilty of: the deforestation/destruction, all of it!

And retailers and companies that market themselves as having palm oil free products almost all stock products with Soy derivatives!

Soy derivatives can be used as palm oil sustitutes and overall it is no greener! Not one bit!

People are falling for a con with the "no palm oil" products!

Truly certified sustainable palm oil must happen.

Truly certified sustainable crops must happen.

Truly sustainable lifestyles must happen.

We all need soap.

(It's got palm oil in it)

And people won't stop buying beauty products. What's wrong with paying a bit more for palm oil free stuff?

Just what you said.
It costs more, which is fine if you're comfortably off, but lots of people aren't.

We all need soap.

We dont need 14 different kinds of soap per household.

Can wash your clothes in dehydrated & reconstituted conkers

Detergent is detergent, dont need to be buying it rebranded into 20 different products all processed slightly differently but essentially doingbthecsame thing: having a hydrophillic and a hydrophobic element so fats are both bound to and also washed away by water. Each task does not need its own special product!

I've made my own soap at home one or two batches can do a year.

I like Camay. Can only get it online now. Or in Abergavenny market when I go to Wales. No doubt it has palm oil. Sigh.

I buy Lush environmental friendly stuff for XR demented enthusiastic GS.

And people won't stop buying beauty products. What's wrong with paying a bit more for palm oil free stuff?

Well its just pointless marketing if the palm oil is replaced by soy derivatives that do the same damage.

And people must understand that you cannot keep consuming in the same way and save the planet!

Switching to the "green" version of the same thing isnt going to cut it.

If you chose to keep consuming and travelling etc at the same rate, there is no green way to do it! You are kidding your conscience by thinking your lifestyle doesnt have to change so long as you chose the greenwashed version

Is that what those wash balls are made from, conkers?

Leave stuff grey, they do.

I like Camay. Can only get it online now. Or in Abergavenny market when I go to Wales. No doubt it has palm oil. Sigh.

But that is okay!
So long as you use it all, use it frugally, and dont waste it!

It is better to have that in your bathroom and USE it sensibly than to have 48 "green/eco/palm free/vegan" half used products all going to waste!

No conkers arent the same as soap nuts but are similar

I agree with what you say notanan
As I understand it we are being encouraged to replace everything we already have with something greener to fuel big business, as usual.
I was bothered when my DD said a baby couldnt sleep on a 2nd hand mattress because of a risk of toxicity even though she had slept on one herself.
So all her baby equipment had to be brand new!
She's relaxed a bit now and the DGC
frequently have hand me downs apart from car seats, where again she goes for new.
Should we trade in our car for electric? 2nd hand ones are almost affordable now...