So that's it then, France is off! Quarantine from Sunday 4.00am

I think people are allowed out and, if he is a citizen, he'll be allowed back in but will have to quarantine on return.

Sorry to go slightly off topic, but are "we"" now allowed to childcare our grandchildren as their "parents" are working.
Did we miss the change os rule about singles only?

Smileless2012

Does that apply to the whole of Aus. Callistemon? Our DS is in Perth and was planning to come back for Christmas. It could be then 2 years before we see him again.

I only know from a family member, Smileless, so please check. Different states have different rules too.

I also know someone who is stuck out there having gone out on a working visa but is having difficulties coming home at the moment.

Presume you live in Scotland to be able to look after your grandchildren.Unless single parent So social bubble allowed.
Such difficult times but the warning from the Government has always been there....Travel restrictions could change- Social distancing rules revised in accordance with any change to protect everyone.
We all have to live with that no matter how hard.

I am curious as to why holidays HAVE to be abroad? Why can't holidays be taken in the UK. The location won't provide the relaxation - the being away from your normal working/life stresses does that. And that can be done just as well in the UK as in another country - with the added bonus of supporting the businesses who are struggling to stay afloat.

We haven’t been away since last September except for a few days last month to move my dd to England. She’s a NQ doctor and hasn’t been away since last summer. She’s also spent weeks on her own in her flat in quarantine, due to outbreaks of CV amongst staff she’s been working with. She has no prospect of going away anywhere for the foreseeable future apart from maybe visiting us.

Tbh, I have friends who have spent so many months agonising about their holidays that I’d have thought any benefit of a break must be outweighed by the stress they’re inflicting on themselves.

As a school worker on a low wage I haven't had a proper paid holiday for years and the last was only a long weekend. I usually volunteer at a christian conference each summer where I camp and have my meals provided, then I visit family for a break, but this year's conference was cancelled and trips to see family are limited. My DS and DiL have visited a couple of times but DD lives 400 miles away in Scotland. She would like me to go to stay but I feel the journey by car is too far unless I have an overnight stay somewhere to break the journey and my brother's family are in one of the northern towns with restrictions at present so I can't stay there! I usually go by train but can't face that long on a train wearing a mask in the heat so I've said no! I've not seen her since Christmas and I know she's disappointed too but I just feel staying safe and well is the most important thing.

I should have retired this summer but put it off as couldn't bear the thought of retiring from not working without a proper send-off. One of the attractions of retirement was being able to have cheaper holidays during term time so that will have to go on the back burner too!

Oh well - maybe next year. I certainly wouldn't have booked anything since lockdown as I couldn't afford to lose the money. I think the person who said they bought a new lounge suite had the right idea!

I wondered why we were given two weeks notice to prepare to wear a mask in shops but (the final decision) 30 hours for this quarantine. Yes I know it was talked about.

What is it about 'quarantine/lockdown may be implemented in an instant, anywhere' that people don't understand? By all means take the (sometimes selfish) risk of going wherever you want but please be prepared to accept the inconvenient and costly consequences of your personal decision. I'm so tired of the bleating 'had to cancel, lost my money, no last minute capacity on transport' that I see on TV and elsewhere each time a new rule is announced. 'The Govt acted too slowly/unreasonably quickly'. I say this as someone who usually travels a lot and freely admit to missing it dreadfully. Maybe I'm just chicken or too mean but I'm not prepared to risk travel at the moment. Surely we've got enough potential misery with Covid not to risk adding to it.

I agree with those saying it’s difficult to have a holiday here. I have heard stories of hugely expensive cottages, campsites etc
One lot of family returning from France tomorrow. ? again from remote countryside cottage (belongs to relatives) so probably in more danger going into their own town back here Other lot in Australia not seen since December 2018.

I’m most definitely in the ‘why on earth risk an abroad holiday’ camp, or even a holiday in a high risk UK area, cheek by jowl with thousands of others. I have no desire to travel by air, sea or train yet. Like others I want desperately to visit my DD in Oz but it’ll probably be this time next year until the borders are opened. Even that is a ?. After being in lockdown for so long, we could all do with a holiday or a break but why risk contracting/spreading Covid. It’s most definitely not over yet & you don’t have to be Einstein to understand that. If everyone concentrated on isolating as much as feasibly possible, this dreadful virus may be beaten. Millions travelling from one country to another & back again does not help!

biba at the moment you don’t need to quarantine when returning from Italy. The situation could change though, but that doesn’t look too likely in the near future. The south of Italy never had the high rates of the virus that the north had anyway, but as we all know, things can change.

Re booking a holiday home in the UK, basically it’s impossible! I’ve looked but can’t find any, except a couple for ridiculously high prices, that sleep several people rather than just the two of us. I wouldn’t touch Devon or Cornwall with a barge pole, far too many people there with no social distancing.

I agree Granarchist there are very safe areas in France. Normandy was one of them. The Ile de France however, a very different story.

everyone saying who needs a holiday - well sorry but my DD and SIL are in remote rural France staying with his elderly parents whom they have not seen since Christmas and who were desperate to see the grandchildren. No COVID cases anywhere within a hundred miles. They drove it in one hit stopping nowhere and they have been nowhere whilst there - not shopping - not going into town - . Now they are faced with children missing their return to school for the first time in months and whilst in the UK people can go to the pub, have their nails done etc etc - they will be forced to stay at home when they are no danger to anyone at all. Its madness.

We go camping in France for 4 weeks in June and September every year. But right at the start of lock down we accepted that we wouldn't be going anywhere this year.

Instead we have purchased a new lounge suite!

I believe it is reciprocal (perhaps a more positive spin than "retaliation"!) so visitors to France will not be able to get out and about for 2 weeks, as well as having to hibernate for two more weeks on return to UK.

What is the situation with Italy - do you have to quarantine on return from I ?

Staycation - the word of the moment! So many wonderful places in our own country to visit. DH and I and younger daughter have just had a great holiday camping in Scotland - mostly dry and sunny, and thankfully without the extreme temperatures down south. And we are lucky enough to have a holiday home ourselves on the Norfolk coast: since restrictions were lifted we've had masses of new bookings. Try a holiday cottage - especially if you can go out if school holidays.
(Smug? Moi? Nah!)

When the air tunnels were opened, the Government did say that the situation could change at any time. People must have realised this and should have taken it into consideration when they booked holidays abroad.

We have friends in France at the moment, staying in their own property. They said before they went that if they needed to self isolate on their return they were prepared to do so, and considered that possibility before going.

Must be disappointing for those who had a holiday booked before Covid situation. For those who have booked during lockdown and since don't think they appreciate just how volatile the virus situation is worldwide. People travelling to UK from France may well have been through other countries too. I even have doubts about travelling 300 miles in the UK.

’(Might lose the ferry fare though....Mr M won’t like that )

That made me laugh, I’d have to write the exact comment about Mr M if he risked losing money.

Maybe the ferry company will let you rebook next year Maizie without extra cost. ?

I’m sorry for those that have booked a holiday but to be honest, I think government encouragement was given, to get the tourist industry making money again and was poor judgement if they considered the consumers point of view! There must be countless people whose holidays have turned into a nightmare one way or another and we just don’t need that kind of stress right now do we. I don’t think a holiday is vital this year....although of course it would be nice....I won’t be taking one.

I’m so sorry Callistemon. We all have our different worries and concerns don’t we? I know you were hoping to visit your family in Australia soon.
We’ve got flights booked to Canada for end of September, no accommodation booked thank goodness. Canada still has closed borders so theoretically no problem, we can’t go. But if they open the borders, it’s still 14 days quarantine on arrival, and if the borders open the flight may still go. I hope not, because I don’t want to go and quarantine and then come home. We booked the flights before the Covid19 crisis, so we’ve just waited to see what happens. I hope BA will allow us to rebook for next year, but who knows?

For the disapproving among you..

Our few days in France was to visit our own property (which has had one other set of visitors this summer) in our own car . Travelling from an area with a low infection rate to Normandy, also with a low infection rate. Only potential problem areas were the ferry and the local French supermarket. We were prepared to quarantine back in the UK.

Not being able to go now is no big deal.

(Might lose the ferry fare though...Mr M won't like that )

TBH, we weren't even thinking of it as a 'holiday', just a break..

I do feel sorry for people who really feel that they have to get away from the UK for a while..

Does that apply to the whole of Aus. Callistemon? Our DS is in Perth and was planning to come back for Christmas. It could be then 2 years before we see him again.

We weren’t a danger to anyone else until we didn’t act soon enough at the beginning!