I love to cruise do you?

MollygoI practiced massage and taught it, along with A&P, as a hobby. I also volunteered in a local hospice, along with some of the people on my courses, providing hand massage for patients.
It was the total opposite of my day job to do something physical like massage.

Mollygo

Blondiescot

Here goes today's lecture. I bet the OP is wishing they'd never started this thread...

Imagine going for remedial massages from someone who lectured the clients on everything they did wrong which had made them need a remedial massage.
There are ways of saying things which don’t imply that the speaker is the only one who knows anything and that everyone else is less perfect than the speaker.
Some people have never acquired that skill.

Well said. I hope those who enjoy cruising go on to enjoy many more.

Blondiescot

Here goes today's lecture. I bet the OP is wishing they'd never started this thread...

No, the idea was to discuss cruising with others who like it or maybe have tried it and it isn't for them. For me a cruise is a stress free vacation. I can leave worries at home. and the relaxation and choice of excursions and activities suits me well.

Certainly it wasn't intended as a discussion of the environment though cruise lines are significantly reducing environmental impact especially with the new generation ships. They have greatly reduced single use plastics on board and provide facilities to recycle.

I would be interested to hear about the virtuous holidays that the anti cruising Grans could recommend.

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And the first of today’s scornful remarks.

You didn’t have to check the thread Blondiescot, as you did I guess you get something from it

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On Tuesday I did listen to Jim Al-Khalili interview Deborah Greaves on R4’s The Life Scientific. It’s such a good programme

Coincidentally yesterday on You & Yours, R4, cruising was discussed. I haven’t listened to it yet; this is from the programme’s website:

Grannygravy the problems with wave power have absolutely nothing to do with damage to wildlife. That objection as been brought forward in respect of tidal barrages, like the Severn barrage, but tidal power has nothing to do with wave power.

In the last two days I have heard, on R4, the latest programme in the 'Life Scientific' where Frank Furedi interviewed Debra Grieves, Professor of Ocean Engineering and Head of the School of Engineering, Computing and Mathematics at the University of Plymouth. In the programme she discussed all the technical and physical problems that have made the development of wave power so difficult. Itis really worth listening to. I am sure you would enjoy it.

Syracute your posts show what a sensitive person you are.

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Northernlass

Hetty58 Thank you - and Syracute.

Syracute this link may interest you as it's about the Florida coral reefs

theconversation.com/the-heroic-effort-to-save-floridas-coral-reef-from-devastating-ocean-heat-210974?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Imagine%20095%20Newsy&utm_content=Imagine%20095%20Newsy+CID_72344f7185cf77f6699089d75a8456bd&utm_source=campaign_monitor_uk&utm_term=The%20heroic%20effort%20to%20save%20Floridas%20coral%20reef%20from%20devastating%20ocean%20heat

Thank you Northern Lass. Sadly, I read recently that most of the coral planted by volunteers was lost this year with the overheated waters off the Keys. They will now have to start over again. If people here think the cruise ships don’t home the environment then there is literally no hope for the reefs or the oceans.

I agree Grannygravy13 that worldwide cooperation is the way forward.

Northernlass

Grannygravy13
Scientists have been working for decades to address climate change issues. Unfortunately world leaders who attend Conference of Parties (COP) haven't made much headway in really addressing the issues; Dieter Helm has described COP as a "jamboree". The action(s) that need to be taken to have a marked impact on climate change are probably too 'unpalatable' for most of us to adopt - and I include myself in this as my family is widespread too.

As Dave MacKay said, we have to think big. Metaphorically speaking recycling our milk bottles and jam jars is, of course, valuable but it's not going to save the planet.

I agree with you that COP is a jamboree.

Living on an island we have wave power but there is always objections on the grounds of damage to wild life. I am jot a fan of nuclear power, as I feel the waste is more destructive than the gains. Wind and solar seem to be the way forward.

Someone in power has to take what will be an objectionable decision but it cannot be a unilateral decision, it has to be worldwide.

Hetty58 Thank you - and Syracute.

Syracute this link may interest you as it's about the Florida coral reefs

theconversation.com/the-heroic-effort-to-save-floridas-coral-reef-from-devastating-ocean-heat-210974?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Imagine%20095%20Newsy&utm_content=Imagine%20095%20Newsy+CID_72344f7185cf77f6699089d75a8456bd&utm_source=campaign_monitor_uk&utm_term=The%20heroic%20effort%20to%20save%20Floridas%20coral%20reef%20from%20devastating%20ocean%20heat

Grannygravy13
Scientists have been working for decades to address climate change issues. Unfortunately world leaders who attend Conference of Parties (COP) haven't made much headway in really addressing the issues; Dieter Helm has described COP as a "jamboree". The action(s) that need to be taken to have a marked impact on climate change are probably too 'unpalatable' for most of us to adopt - and I include myself in this as my family is widespread too.

As Dave MacKay said, we have to think big. Metaphorically speaking recycling our milk bottles and jam jars is, of course, valuable but it's not going to save the planet.

Northernlass Let me put it more simply. It is not what you say, but the way that you say it.

I have very little argument with any of your views, but your way of putting them across raises my hackles. I do not like being hectored.

You also make absolutely no positive suggestions about what alternatives people who normally go on cruises should consider, ie not hiking holidays, working on worthy causes, but things that older, possible not very active people would enjoy equally.

Are you sure you are not a climate denier posing as a climate change worker? You way of going about things would suggest that.

GrannyGravy13

We cannot wind back the clock to the Stone Age.

The world has shrunk, we need technology, we travel for business and leisure, goods are constantly moving around our seas on giant container ships.

Rather than banning and blaming, the scientific community should be looking of ways to make these less damaging to the planet.

We do what we can at home, solar panels, water harvesting system, recycling etc, but when you have family scattered across the globe there is no way I am not going to visit them.

I could not agree more.
My daughter and her children are visiting us from New Zealand in October and we will be returning to New Zealand at the end of December for a six week visit.
I will never abandon my child and her children.

GrannyGravy13

We cannot wind back the clock to the Stone Age.

The world has shrunk, we need technology, we travel for business and leisure, goods are constantly moving around our seas on giant container ships.

Rather than banning and blaming, the scientific community should be looking of ways to make these less damaging to the planet.

We do what we can at home, solar panels, water harvesting system, recycling etc, but when you have family scattered across the globe there is no way I am not going to visit them.

Well put GG13. My family is also widespread.

Reading about efforts made by GNs to use less water, less electricity etc. are informative and encouraging without being lecturing.
Your point
Rather than banning and blaming, the scientific community should be looking of ways to make these less damaging to the planet. is likely to be more productive for the future than a rant about the evils of cruising, or cars, or visiting family.

We all, when posting on GN are those described by Hetty as refusing to
change their ways or cope with any minor inconvenience like refusing to use devices that need scarce and potentially climate damaging resources to produce and operate for communication with others.

We cannot wind back the clock to the Stone Age.

The world has shrunk, we need technology, we travel for business and leisure, goods are constantly moving around our seas on giant container ships.

Rather than banning and blaming, the scientific community should be looking of ways to make these less damaging to the planet.

We do what we can at home, solar panels, water harvesting system, recycling etc, but when you have family scattered across the globe there is no way I am not going to visit them.

I see Northernlass as the little voice of reason - within the swarm of self-entitled and downright selfish 'I'll do what I want!' crowd.

Those who seem to love their families but will never take responsibility, change their ways or cope with any minor inconvenience to protect them just puzzle me.

Just one question Northernlass.

Do you want to have a positive or a negative effect on those you address?

Currently you seem to choose the latter.

In my field my views aren’t at the more extreme end of the climate movement, as they’re based on hard evidence; I accept they may be as far the general public are concerned.

Just one question: what kind of future do you want for yourselves and your descendants, and how might you achieve that?

Northern Lass Your methods of encouraging people to think environmentally, whether I think you right or wrong, are counter productive, you raise hackles and leave one with a strong desire to run round the house turning all the lights and the heating on.

As with all those at the more extreme end of the climate movement, you fail to realise that shouting and hectoring people just puts their backs up. It is encouragement and example, and the disincentive of price that moves people to change their attitudes and behaviour.