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I always put things as a point of view merlot. I was wrong about how they were writing Lillian too.

I think that's me gone for a while as I don't think personal attacks are something to stay around and wait for.

I haven't gone 'all virtuous' Elegran and your comment on whether we can survive someone swearing is irrelevant. Someone can survive being beaten up too but that doesn't make it a good thing (and no, I am not saying swearing is the same level of offense as beating someone up before you jump on that).

Phoenix said that I was seeming to imply that causing shock equalled bullying and asked for an explanation - or at least I assume that is what "confused" meant. I gave an explanation as I see it; I am not asking anyone else to agree but that is my view.

Perhaps you could explain another reason why anyone would swear at another member - I did say it may just be phoenix's everyday way of speaking which is the only other reason I can think of.

I have answered phoenix as she asked. I really don't think there is much left to say nor do I think you are adding to the discussion.

What is bullying other than an attempt at controlling someone else? Behaving in a way that is totally foreign to the way that someone else would expect or do themselve

Gracesgran Will you please stop for a moment and think about the way you behave on this thread?

I very nearly gave up posting because I felt worn down by your constant nit-picking every time I commented - even on subjects I know a fair bit about.

You are often wrong (Tom and his bloody pigs, for example) yet you appear to be controlling the thread in a way I hesitate to describe for fear of unleashing yet more abuse and yes, it is abuse to bully somebody off a thread.

Just give it a rest and let us all enjoy (if that's the right word) the coming weeks we've all been waiting for.

But, Gracesgran, I think we can all survive seeing the initials ffs on here. Anyone who knows the words they stand for is hardly naively ignorant of such expressions. The initials hint at the exprerssion, they don't say it out loud - there are a lot of hints like that, "darn" for "damn" is one.

Can't you find anything real to object to, that you make an issue of people discussing the plot and characters of a soap drama and then you go all virtuous when your jibe annoys someone?

phoenix Thu 18-Aug-16 08:09:42
Graces you seem to imply that causing shock = bullying confused

phoenix you asked me the above. Yes, of course causing shock can and often is a tool of bullying. The SWs have used it often when 'Rob' uses shock to extend his control such as telling Ian about the kiss the day before the wedding or showing himself to be a very even tempered character and then loosing his temper to the level where Helen felt at risk. What is bullying other than an attempt at controlling someone else? Behaving in a way that is totally foreign to the way that someone else would expect or do themselves is part of the controlling (or extreme bullying) behaviour pattern.

I imagine you have found swearing stops people saying things you do not agree with in the past and now use it as a tool hoping to get exactly that reaction.

Thanks Merlot think am missing out not on FB or mumsnet, so get all info on here, and very entertaining it is too. Never seen actress who plays Peggy, and she looks exactly as imagined. Although it's a drama I think it's inevitable that you develop a fondness or dislike of the characters, isn't it part of relating to the story?

It takes all sorts merlot. If you have found out what makes you feel good I'm happy for you

In the words of Flanders and Swann.....'Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers!

phoenix Why else would you stoop to the language of the gutter - unless, and I did put this caveat in my previous post, it is your everyday language and you don't know you are doing it. In which case you have my sympathy.

As DD used to say, aged 3, when I "pretended" to be scared of something on TV, "It's only ACTING!"

I had just seen that Merlot. If came up on FB. Fascinating.

Thu 18-Aug-16 08:01:08 You can write what you choose suzied and if I can say what I choose about your comments as long as I am not making personal remarks about you.

Beautiful. What a lovely voice distinctive she has.

Very, very clever!

And speaking of Mumsnet.....

I found this yesterday

gracesgran, when we all slag off Rob you don't rush in and remind us it's not his fault the scriptwriters give him such nasty things to say and in any case he probably wouldn't like us in real life anyway.

So why do you do it for Shula/Pat/Tony/Tom/Helen?

I didn't realise there was a Mumsnet language that's in danger of migrating to Gransnet. You obviously spend time reading the Archers thread over there, as do I. The one thing they do with great effect is comment on all the characters in whichever way they choose be it critically or humorously.

Nobody leaps in to point out they have a problem separating fact from fiction.

Please leave us alone to enjoy this thread without our posts being jumped upon almost before the ink's dry.

Just saying Gracegran that it must be hard for the actor playing Rob if people think he is the real character. I may have lost the thread of course!

suzied spot on!

Graces you seem to imply that causing shock = bullying

Drama/ soap / whatever, doesn't mean we can't like / dislike/ comment on the characters.

You obviously don't hold it in the same esteem I do Suzied I do not see it as a "soap" but a drama and they are characters.

pheonix, it appears the language of Mumsnet is seeping into Gransnet. Are you trying to cause shock (and therefore bully another Gnetter) or is this your everyday launguage? Either way it is distinctly .more your problem than mine.

We know it's a soap and made up, but doesn't mean we can't like / dislike the characters or talk about them does it? Anyway, what's the betting Pheebs gets stunning. A level results , but turns down the Oxford place for a gap yah.

Oh ffs! And NO I'm NOT going to put a smiley on it.

Probably won't be the last time merlot . I just don't get the criticism of none people. If this was a thread about Big Brother or similar and real people were behaving badly I could understand it; equally I can understand criticism of the SWs but this ... nope.

Not quite sure what you mean re "fancy being Rob" LD - sorry. I certainly think more women than we know will have tried to cope with being with someone like Rob and, frustrating as it is (and it is!) drama, and TA at its best is great drama, gives us such an insight into this sort of character. I love the discussion on here although I still don't really understand how someone could take a CC person to court - preferably before they stab them

You're at it again, gracesgran. We KNOW they're all characters.