Diana's in her own words. Children 4

James Hewitt, Oliver Hoare , Will Carling, James Gilby, Hasnar Khan, Brian Adams survived

Not someone else she fell in love with?!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't watch either programmes as after watching the trailer, I think dragging it all up again after all these years inappropriate and for totally the wrong reasons. I don't admire either William or Harry for raking up the past in a way that must have embarrassed and probably hurt their father knowing full well that public disapproval of him and Camilla would rear up once again. Everything these two are is due to their father as lets face it Prince Harry's scholastic achievements wouldn't have got him into an officer training establishment, had he been a commoner, never mind a commission or helicopter flying! Prince William and his family wouldn't enjoy their position of privilege but for his father, so to throw this now ancient history, whatever the rights and wrongs of it up in their fathers face again , seems to me disloyal in the extreme.

Blownupdolly, can you give a good reason for Diana and Dodi to leave their luxurious apartment in the Ritz to go back to his flat, against the advice of their bodyguards and in full knowledge the paparazzi were waiting outside?

Charles is an arrogant, self absorbed creep. Camilla is a poisonous, self obsessed, lying excuse for a woman. I despise the pair of them.
I met Diana back in the 80s. She came across as a warm, caring human being. Do Charles and Camilla? I think not.
I have been convinced from the day she died that she was murdered. After finding out last night that the body guard she fell in love with, conveniently died in a motorbike crash 3 weeks after leaving his job, its all too much of a coincidence if you ask me.
I sincerely hope that Charles and his (best not use the word I want to) wife, are bypassed in honour of William.
There will be no sense of celebration from me if Charles takes the throne. Vile, spoilt little man.

I am amazed at how many of you watched the programme!

I used to shake all over when I saw the 'other woman'; couldn't walk past where she lived, so had to drive through the village if I was going anywhere. To this day, if I bumped into her I would probably shake for hours afterwards. They're no longer together; she went back to her husband after getting quite a lot of money from my ex.

I think Tegan has a point. If you had been so hurt might your usual morals/judgement be affected to the point of no longer caring?

When my first husband left me holding my baby son I wanted the woman he left me for to feel the same pain and told her to her face that I wished the same would happen to her, with brass knobs on. It eventually did because he left her with 2 children . How horrible of me to wish that on 2 innocent children and their mother, but I did.

What a good Shakespearean drama it would make.

They both behaved appalling for parents regardless of their titles. If she lived in your village or town she'd have the local bike/homewrecker moniker & he would be the same.
No respect for either of them. She should have won an Oscar for some of those performances.

so, niggly, it is OK for a man to have mistresses but not for his wife to take lovers! Just what century are you living in! Charles had several mistresses (not just Camilla), he took a keepsake from Camilla on his honeymoon for heavens sake. Yes, Diana was naive, but she was very young and he was in his 30s. IF you believe what has been written about him in the past (and I take all of it with a pinch of salt), he is not above going off in a huff and throwing a tantrum even now. The problem with his becoming King is that many people have no respect for him - without it I can't see the monarchy continuing.

That's a difficult one, Annie. It's something that I could and would never consider doing but I have a theory that something like that desensitises [sp] you in some way [a bit like the way that someone who is abused as a child can then go on and abuse their own children; something that, when I've read about it happening is totally beyond my comprehension]. Maybe, having an affair with someone who is married is, in some way, getting your own back by doing the same thing? I honestly don't know. Maybe sometimes, when something like infidelity happens to you, it's as if all the rules have gone out the window. It certainly screws up your brain in ways that I never dreamt possible.

Yes it does Anniebach but if you read on he says "his (presumed bad) luck would be to be thrown down the lavatory...etc." not to be the actual tampax. Whatever it'g gross.

The following piece of transcript:

Charles: My luck to be chucked down the lavatory and go on and on forever
swirling round on the top, never going down.

Camilla: (Laughing) Oh, Darling!

Charles: Until the next one comes through.

Camilla: Oh, perhaps you could come back as a box.

Charles: What sort of box?

Camilla: A box of Tampax, so you could just keep going.

Charles: That's true.

Camilla: Repeating yourself...(Laughing) Oh, darling I just want you now.

Charles: Do You?

Camilla: Mmmmm

Charles: So do I!

Camilla: Desperately, desperately. Oh, I thought of you so much at Yaraby.

Charles: Did you?

Camilla: Simply mean we couldn't be there together.

Charles: Desperate. If you could be here - I long to ask Nancy sometimes.

Camilla: Why don't you?

Charles: I daren't

Camilla: Because I think she's in love with you.

Charles: Mmm.

Camilla: She'd do anything you asked.

Charles: She'd tell all sorts of people.

Camilla: No, she wouldn't because she'd be much too frightened of what
you might say to her. I think you've got - I'm afraid it's a
terrible thing to say - but I think , you know, those sort of people
do feel very strongly about you. You've got such a hold over her.

Charles: Really?

Camilla: And you're..... I think, as usual, you're underestimating yourself.

Charles: But she might be terribly jealous or something.

Camilla: Oh! (Laughs) Now that's a point! I wonder, she might be, I suppose.

Charles: You never know, do you?

Camilla: No, The little green eyed monster might be lurking inside her. No,
But I mean the thing is your'e so good when people are so flattered
to be taken into your confidence, but I don't know they'd betray
you. You know, real friends.

Charles: Really?

Camilla: I don't (Pause)

Camilla: Gone to sleep?

Charles: No, I'm here.

He married Camilla, but it was said at the time that she would never be queen, now it is starting to look as if she may be. I dislike both of them so much. He married Diana to have an heir and a spare, didn't love her at all. I don't think he should ever be king, his uncle had to abdicate because he wanted to marry Wallis Simpson, and I think Charles should step back and let William take his place. How can anyone want a would be Tampax on the throne?

I'm not a great fan of Charles or Diana but I think she was too young and naive when she married and he was pressured into it. I do still have doubts about her death. Just too convenient for the royals

But Tegan, do you think the wives of the husbands she had affairs with didn't suffer hurt? Would you choose to inflict the same hurt on another woman that was inflicted on you ?

Yes Gilly, but does not God forbid mean - it would be my bad luck

I can't watch the programme; her death still upsets me. I had no idea of what it was like to be in a marriage where the other person was seeing someone else until it happened to me. Mine was an unhappy marriage by that point but the pain of it absolutely crippled me, especially having to see the 'other woman' [she lived in my village] and try to protect the children from knowing about it. I thought Dianas campaigns with regards AIDS and land mines were the greatest things that any royal person had ever done. She [imo] deserves her iconic status.

Yuk!

Transcript of conversation. Yes he is our future king!

Charles: "Oh god. I'll just live inside your trousers or something. It would be much easier!"

Camilla: (Laughs.) "What are you going to turn into, a pair of knickers?" (Both laugh). "Oh, you're going to come back as a pair of knickers."

Charles: "Or, God forbid, a Tampax. Just my luck!" (Laughs.)

Camilla: "You are a complete idiot!" (Laughs.) "Oh, what a wonderful idea!"

Charles will more than likley be king within the next 9 years

A poisoned chalice??

And Diana didn't?!!!!!! or was it ok for her, but not for him?!
A lot of royal (and other) ladies have had straying husbands which actually doesn't excuse extreme bad behaviour on their part. The Queen and Prince Phillip have had their dodgy moments, think Rita Heywood!! but I don't recall retaliation by HM! Perhaps Queen Alexandra could have been forgiven for the odd transgression! (I THINK she did have an admirer, not sure) Edward V11 certainly tried her tolerance I would think beyond endurance with his raft of mistresses, but no, she conducted herself with dignity discretion, and loyalty. People loved her for it. Diana might have done better to a leaf out of this royal ladys book.

Just why do people think William will be a great king. It is title with no power. I personally don't think he will be any better than Charles and actually seems to put his personal life before anything else. Who else can give up work to spend more time with his family and flit from house to house which is brought up to the ultimate in luxury for them.
I have enormous admiration for the Queen but it ends there and Diana would have made a dreadful consort, she was too damaged by her upbringing.

Interesting discussion, whatever our beliefs, and whether or not we are royalists once Lizzie has gone we'll be a nation of Charlies!

Right on niggly