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A very English Scandal

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travelsafar Mon 21-May-18 08:03:21

I loved this new drama, i thought the actors were brilliant, everso slightly bonkers but sooo funny at times i was actually laughing.Cant wait for the next episode. Well done BBC.

Jane10 Sat 09-Jun-18 06:47:57

An experienced older man offering a way in to an exciting glamorous lifestyle? Hmmm. At 19 I might have given it a thought!!

Eloethan Sat 09-Jun-18 00:29:49

Perhaps there are women - and men - who go into sex work solely because they enjoy it.

However, I think the opinion of most people who have actually worked with prostitutes is that it is only a truly "free choice" in a small number of cases. Even then, I believe it is acknowledged that children who have been sexually abused are more likely to form distorted and damaging sexual relationships in later years. I believe one indicator of a child having been sexually abused is the presence of over-sexualised behaviour and an inability to trust and form loving relationships.

Many sex workers, male and female, have had disturbed childhoods, perhaps including sexual and/or physical abuse. Additionally, it is well known that prostitution is often the only means of getting enough money to fund addiction.

On the Keeler/Profumo issue, Christine Keeler was only 19 years old and was from a very different background from John Profumo who attended Harrow and Oxford and was a member of the Bullingdon Club. He had an important political position and must have been around 40 years of age when he started a sexual relationship with Keeler. Who should have known better - she or an experienced man twice her age?

Eglantine21 Fri 08-Jun-18 23:02:06

Think “ I CBA” is short for “Oh damn I have made myself look very silly -again”.

Eglantine21 Fri 08-Jun-18 22:34:51

Oh you can duck and dive all you want, but you said what you said.

You said it, you said it, you said it!

lemongrove Fri 08-Jun-18 22:34:44

Do you enjoy being at odds with the whole world Maryeliza?
You must get some sort of perverse pleasure from the number of people on forums that you insult.....it’s a bit sad.

maryeliza54 Fri 08-Jun-18 22:32:08

Eglantine thats so ridiculous I CBA. I see you haven't replied about what you meant about the thread pulling ( although I actually think you mean deleting but whats in a word)

maryeliza54 Fri 08-Jun-18 22:30:00

You haven't read the whole thread - bless but nevertheless you can draw conclusions which by the way are totally wrong. Now I've heard everything - the gift that keeps on giving. Why not RTFT?

Eglantine21 Fri 08-Jun-18 22:29:25

Annie was ironic. You weren’t.

Hoist with your own petard.....

maryeliza54 Fri 08-Jun-18 22:26:47

I rather thought you might have seen the irony in the post you quote but maybe it was just a tiny bit too subtle for you. And what do you mean about having the thread pulled - if its what I think you do, you couldn't be more wrong so be careful with your innuendos.

lemongrove Fri 08-Jun-18 22:26:19

There are two schools of thought on this Maryeliza the one that you propound ( and perhaps others, I haven’t read the whole thread) and the other ( which I happen to agree with) which doesn’t believe that everyone is a victim of something or other and we have free will and make choices.

maryeliza54 Fri 08-Jun-18 22:22:59

Of course you are right lemon whatever were trisher and I thinking of.

lemongrove Fri 08-Jun-18 22:22:04

Everyone has to be ‘a victim’ now, it’s beyond ridiculous.

Eglantine21 Fri 08-Jun-18 22:21:22

I repeat Annie said if a girl chooses to be a sex worker she is a victim of men. You said that’s right ab got it at last.

She wasn’t talking about CK then.

No, you can’t dodge it. It’s there in black and white.

I suppose you could ask to have the thread pulled......

lemongrove Fri 08-Jun-18 22:19:56

Anniebach is quite right, they were not ‘vulnerable’ ( oh that word is thrown around right left and centre!)
They enjoyed their life, does anyone think they would have preferred working in a factory or shop?
Plenty of girls who had hard upbringings then would prefer the factory or shop, being at the higher end of prostitution isn’t everybody’s lifestyle choice, but it was
Their choice.

Anniebach Fri 08-Jun-18 22:16:13

Profumo lost his job, Keeler wrote a book

maryeliza54 Fri 08-Jun-18 22:15:54

Exactly trisher I wonder how many of us would have accepted our 17 year old dds making that 'choice'

maryeliza54 Fri 08-Jun-18 22:13:59

Not at all - I was talking about the CK etc scenarios and and I still believe they were victims

trisher Fri 08-Jun-18 22:13:01

The fact that some people choose to do something does not negate the fact that in the course of doing that thing- be it sex or any other transaction they may be exploited. I posted what happened to Christine Keeler in a photo shoot. Her early history reveals she survived abuse and family break down all factors which may have made her vulnerable and open to abuse. Instead of speculating about sex workers who may or may not be there by choice it might be good if some posters could start looking at the actions of the men involved and consider who suffered more.

Eglantine21 Fri 08-Jun-18 22:11:24

Bit of a u turn there, ME?

Grannyknot Fri 08-Jun-18 22:09:57

Belle du Jour or Brooke Magnanti who wrote Diary of a London Call Girl in The Guardian a few years back, was a children's health research scientist

maryeliza54 Fri 08-Jun-18 22:09:42

Well I don't know about any one else but I don't have an image of a sex worker - I know they are a very varied group from heartbreaking drug addicted 15 year olds from E Europe to self sufficient women who have made real choices.

Eglantine21 Fri 08-Jun-18 22:08:04

Annie said (ironically) if a girl chooses to be a sex worker she is a victim of men and you, Maryeliza said that’s right you’ve got it at last.

So you were the one that said all sex workers were victims.

I dispute that.

petra Fri 08-Jun-18 22:01:52

A tenant of one of our flats was a sex worker. She was the best tenant we ever had. I know many people have an image of what a sex worker looks like, but believe me, never in a million years would you have put that label on her.

maryeliza54 Fri 08-Jun-18 21:57:12

Interesting Parliamentary report on sex workers publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmhaff/26/26.pdf

maryeliza54 Fri 08-Jun-18 21:49:37

Its as ridiculous to think that all sex workers make a free choice as it is to think they have all been manipulated or forced. What is certainly true is that there is sex trafficking of especially Eastern European young women.