Endeavour

Dh and I are very disappointed with the new series. Cliche after cliche, such overdone characters - especially the dodgy boss copper - and I wish Endeavour would take his hands out of his pockets!! It just doesn't go with the character.

As for Thursday turning dodgy, that's the last straw.
It used to be such a favourite but I'm not sure we'll bother watching any more.

I read somewhere that we never found out what DCSupt. Strange's name is in Morse but in Endeavour we are told his name is Jim - which is a nod to the actor who played DCSupt. Strange in Morse - James Grout.

Apparently there are a few subtle references in Endeavour to the Morse series.

I like how the character Jim Strange is covering Morse’s back

We all get old NanKate craft fairs all the way with me, these days.

Roger Hallam and Anton Lessor are great actors, have never seen them in anything bad.
Bright is unpopular at first, but the station soon realise he is
Competent and fair.The episode of the escaped tiger is a really good one, and shows him in a new light.

I hope the next few episodes get back to the excellent calibre
Of writing from the earlier series.

Gulli Stonor Park once put on a fab outside concert with Jools Holland. We took a picnic and rocked the night away. Last time I was there it was for an enormous Craft Fair.

NaneKate, it might well have been Stonor Park - when visiting the house you don't go into it from the angle it was shown on tv, so it looked a bit different. Checked out the images on Google and it does look very much as if you are right, it's a beautiful house in a perfect setting,

Gulli I thought I recognised the village but won’t say the name as you live there. Was the big house Stonor Park in Oxfordshire?

Sorry about your Granpa, how awful, poor man, poor all of you.

Yes, actually I can! As you say it would have completely wrecked their retirement dreams and have been quite devastating. I think him not asking her about this loan was the real breaker, something I'm sure we can all understand.

Can you imagine what it must be like for her though. She has put up with a lot and dreamed of a happy retirement. For Thursday to have lost it all must have shattered all her hopes for the future.

My Granpa was swindled out of his pension and took his own life as a result.

Yes Strange is the future boss of an older Morse! The clue is in him calling Morse 'Matey'. We enjoyed this episode, together with all its inaccuracies! Wonderful Anton Lesser, poor man! Mrs Thursday? How long can she keep this freezer behaviour up for?!! Is she having an affair? Is her behaviour causing Fred so much despair that he's become bent, or is he setting a cunning trap? Bring it on,!!!!!!!

As poor old Morse is so unlucky with relationships then his old friend and mentor might just be turning into a wrong un. I bet Morse will be the one who has to turn him in.
I don't think so, there must be something else going on, perhaps an undercover operation as others have said.

Mrs Thursday is annoying me!! I don't like sulkers.

Oh Thursday - you were my hero !! I really dislike his new boss and feel incredibly sorry for CS Bright - I think he gives a very creditable impression of that sort of man of that time.

I didn't think about Thursday being undercover but can only see it ending in tears whatever the outcome. I still like the series - flaws and all.

I also thought Anton Lesser gave an acting masterclass in the 3rd episode of Endeavour - the character of Chief Superintendent Bright has developed over time; he's a man with a cold outside and a warm heart which he can't show, it wasn't the done thing for his generation.

I haven't enjoyed this series as much as previous ones, but even when it isn't all that good it's still a cut above so much of the dross that's available.

Quite a bit of this 3rd episode was filmed in the village where I live! Great excitement at the time, and it was lovely to see the village pond featured so picturesquely.

Anton Lesser: did he play the main lead in that Cold War spy film... senior moment, I'm afraid. There was an exchange of agents..?
Very good film, though.

DH and I both thought that Thursday is a plant to catch the Bent coppers. Taking that money is totally out of character.

I agree with those that are saying the script and characterisation are clunky. I am surprised that they don’t all have an large arrow over their head pointing down and reading BENT. However on the plus side Mrs Thursday and Anton Lesser are superb. I wanted to hug them both.

These programmes are sold abroad and always feature some iconic form of Britishness; The Hunt; Oxford Spires, whatever.
I make a point of spotting the iconography is all this kind of drama. Good fun.
Also, am I right in thinking Strange is the future boss of Morse (actor James Grout)?

Oh and it had to be the hunt - had it been a hack then everyone wouid probably have waited for horses to be exchanged and then ridden off together. The victim had to be left alone for the plotline to work. Maybe it was also an unseasonably mild March day!

I just watched this episode last night and was so impressed by Anton Lesser’s performance in the scene with James Bradshaw (Max de Bryn). This was a man in emotional agony about his wife’s terminal diagnosis trying to maintain an outward display of control so typical of that generation. Superbly acted.

Watched the third episode last night ( yes, there was an element of Midsomer Murders ?) but overall was a much better watch IMHO.
Perhaps Thursday is playing a ‘long game’ by taking the money, and hoping to expose his new boss as corrupt?

I think Thursday is undercover to root out the bad cops . Have to agree it is getting like Midsummer Murders which we gave up on .

Well it seems several of us seem to be very suspicious of what Fred T and Endeavour are up to. .

I wonder if Fred Thursday is on to an undercover mission.
A bit too much though, even for my some of my sillier
imaginings .

He seems to be perptually worried.

It does annoy me when new writers feel they have to put their ideas to spoil what was a sucessful and possible plot.

As a pp mentioned, last night’s episode was indeed more like a Midsommer affair.......please get rid of the ‘tach eugh!

Also picked up on all the details re the hunt and, no horse is put down with a ‘horse gun’ or in those circumstances taken back to a loose box.....at least do a bit of research if you want to make your episode plausible!

Good grief, Mrs Thursday certainly knows how to hang on to a grudge, like a terrier with a bone. Her whole personna has changed and what the hang is Thursday thinking about getting involved in?

I only saw 30 minutes of Endeavour last night then no signal returned so that was the end of that programme. It was an early night for me It appears as though I missed little.