White House Farm

Grannyknot, Sheila disabled her 6ft 4 father by shooting him in his arm. For a start, her medication had been halved at Sheila's request and she'd been due another injection within the week.

The weekend before ,she'd been partying and smoking cannabis as a trace was found in her blood test.Sheila also took cocaine and both drugs would counteract the prescription drug thus not having the same therapeutic effect on her condition .

5 police officers had looked in the gun cupboard that morning but no silencer was seen. It was " found " by the relatives 3 days later ?
The blood on the silencer had been tested and found to contain an enzyme AK1 which Sheila had and also her uncle the late Robert Boutflour ( an interested party in the estate of Nevill Bamber and his wife )

Little things like this have been missed from this so-called drama, in fact a lot of inaccuracies have cropped up ! The real truth will never be told until Jeremy's release, although his legal team are battling on in the hope that another appeal can be sought. Essex police still have thousands of documents/files/ photo's and possibly audio-tapes that have been withheld for 34 years. You have to ask yourself why.

The investigation was abysmal, with the moving of the bodies and rearranging their positions etc. No protective clothing and no gloves. No pathologist at the scene, just a police doctor who didn't even give a time of death, though it's clear to see from photographs that Sheila hadn't been dead for long as they show fresh blood coming from the wounds in her neck.

The rifle itself was an Anschutz .22 and not a high velocity one which isn't impossible for two shots to have been found. It was a semi-automatic comparatively new rifle which had a spring action.

My belief for the two injuries is that when Sheila had depressed the trigger for the first shot, her finger had remained on the trigger and she'd have jolted involuntarily ( as you would ) inadvertently pressing it again to cause the second shot.

No way is Jeremy responsible for this crime and I'm confident that one day that he'll be proved right. He's never stopped fighting.

In Sheila's short life she'd been a very troubled girl, mentally.

Sheila and Colin's short married life was a turbulent one. I could write a lot more as things aren't what they seem.

BTW, the episode this week which showed the dog being put to sleep, was fabricated for sensationalist purposes.

The truth was that the police brought the dog from WHF to where Jeremy lived and Ann Eaton the cousin was also there and both she and Jeremy had said they hadn't wanted the old dog so the cousin suggested taking it to the vet to be put down and both agreed----so it was taken to the vet and not put down in front of Jeremy ( to make him look worse than he's already painted )

Much has been made of Sheila's mental health and behaviour but Bamber himself was also a very troubled young man.

According to what I've read he robbed a jewellers in Australia and also not long before the murders he broke into the family caravan business. These are on record, so it's likely he got up to other things but wasn't caught.

One thing that puzzles me about the night, why would the father phone Bamber if Sheila was rampaging through the house with a gun, and not the emergency services? Apart from the illogicality of that, as father and son they were not close so it's not as though it would be instinctive.

Colin Cafell was interviewed this week and was asked when he first became suspicious of Jeremy. He said that on the way back from his parents' funeral, Jeremy was telling his girlfriend what he was going to do to her that afternoon. Also that he did a "spoof' of a photo of the twins in the bath. It doesn't make him guilty and grief affects us all differently but odd behaviour nonetheless.

Thanks for all that very interesting information EllanVannin which backs up what I said, this is a TV drama series and not factual. The dog scenario seems to be a dreadful twisting of the truth which will mislead viewers. I can't help thinking this should have been a docudrama rather than a drama, where actors are used but they don't speak, they just illustrate the documentary which should all be factual.

Riverwalk, Jeremy's girlfriend wasn't exactly squeaky clean and with the crimes she had under her belt fled to Canada not long after the murders.
Her crimes were cheque-book fraud, importation of drugs, supply of drugs, and once the authorities in this country found out she was no longer eligible to carry on a teaching job, though did so in Canada with their different laws and continued to teach children there.

She was given immunity from these crimes if she stood as prosecution witness, which she did----with a promise of £25,000 from the News of the World only if Jeremy was convicted.

The girlfriend had been jilted by Jeremy, so, full of scorn and the thought of the money, she let rip with all kinds of rubbish and lies----a very unreliable witness, yet one who everyone was relying on because the police had nothing on Jeremy.

The jury were never aware of the deal between the girlfriend and the News of the World !

In fact the jury weren't aware of many things.
Jeremy's defence were rubbish.

Riverwalk There's a website set up by supporters of Jeremy, which has a lot of detail and information on it.
One of the things there is "evidence" that on the night of the crime, the father had actually called the police just before the call to Jeremy.

Riverwalk, it wasn't unusual for Nevill to occasionally ring his son for assistance with Sheila when she had one of her psychotic attacks, which she seemed to calm down when both men were with her.

When Nevill phoned on that fateful night and mentioned that she had one of his guns, Jeremy must have been frozen with fear. We don't know, but perhaps Nevill had thought with the help of his son that between the pair of them they could perhaps calm her down and talk to her, without involving outside help as Nevill was a private person who didn't have much time for anything which involved authority, even though a magistrate himself.

Contrary to what is said/written, Jeremy was close to his parents probably more so than Sheila though she was closer to her father than her mother.

Sheila would ring her father at all hours when she was living in London and would be on the phone for hours not thinking that the poor man had to be up and on the farm as soon as dawn broke.

EllanVannin How do you know all this?

Riverwalk, I'm on a JB forum.
Nevill phoned the police at 03.26 and Jeremy phoned them at 03.35 because as he tried to ring his father back, the phone was engaged, which was when Nevill was ringing them.

The proof of these calls is on Twitter ( bambertweets )

Sparklefizz, I've studied the case for years and have always added my sixpenn'orth to the Jeremy Bamber forum for the past 8 years.

There's a heck of a lot missing from that drama series.

We won't be seeing that much more of Stephen Graham in the series because in real life " Taff "Jones suffered an accident at home and sadly died. He was Jeremy's only hope of defence.

With respect though EllenVannin, if you are on the JB forum, surely you are only getting his side of the story? Presume there is no similar forum on behalf of his sister.

Eileen Colin Caffell takes responsibility for their 'turbulent married life' in the book that he wrote. It is also apparent from his book that the newspapers were ... well ... words fail me. For example, they tried to bluff their way in to the house of the murdered woman's very elderly grandmother (June Bamber's mother) to tell her and get comment from her, when the family had been shielding her and she had not yet been told.

I accept that the evidence against Jeremy Bamber is mostly circumstantial (because all possible hard evidence was messed up by the police), but I still think he is guilty. I worked for many years in the criminal justice system (not in the UK - as a recorder/transcriber on murder cases) and if I was on the jury in this case, I would have been with the majority who found him guilty.

A very credible witness for the prosecution case was the cousin who is played in the TV drama by Gemma Whelan. She's a good actress.

Oops sorry, it's Ellan not Eileen.

I don't believe it is possible to be sure that she disabled her father by shooting him in the arm and therefore he could not defend himself. AFAIK it has been impossible to establish the sequence of the shots.

I also don't believe having taken cannabis and cocaine a week before would have any significant impact on her anti-psychotic meds.

Grannyknot if I was on the jury in this case, I would have been with the majority who found him guilty.
Probably true. But if there was evidence withheld then the jury are not necessarily able to come to the correct decision.

Keep it coming EllanVannin. It's all very interesting.
Regarding those phone calls, it seems there was some doubt over whether JB received that call from his father. But surely they would have been able to establish without doubt exactly what calls were made to and from certain phone lines and that would have been important evidence in the trial.

This is what the Colin Caffell book says, taken from evidence given in Court:

Nevill Bamber was found in a crouched position in the kitchen, near the fireplace. He had been shot 8 times in the head, jaw and larynx. (No mention of a shot to the arm). The last two wounds would have made it difficult - if not impossible - for him to speak. There was a broken rifle butt on the floor near him and signs of a 'bitter struggle' and he had been 'badly beaten'.

Caffell also says that the semi-automatic rifle was a new acquisition and that Sheila would not have had 'the first idea how to use it, let alone reload it'.

Curlywhirly, there are those on the forum who also think he's guilty so it's not a one-sided affair. They feel as strongly about his guilt as I do of his innocence.

The background of the extended families is worth studying too.

Grannyknot, the rifle with the broken butt belonged to a cousin who kept it at the farm, it wasn't the rifle which was found on Sheila so my bet is that the rifle suffered a knock possibly against the Aga when she was bashing her father.

Also on Nevill were three burns which ran down the back of his neck as well as deep grab marks on his forearm which were done by someone with long nails.
Whether the three burnmarks were significant I'm not sure because of Sheila having religious delusions and hallucinations.

Grannyknot: Caffell also says that the semi-automatic rifle was a new acquisition and that Sheila would not have had 'the first idea how to use it, let alone reload it'.
But would he have necessarily known whether she could use it? He only met her as an adult and maybe they never discussed guns or whether she could use them. She may have done some shooting with JB a few years earlier as he claimed, and may also have seen JB and her father using it.

Chestnut from reading his book, he knew his ex-wife pretty well, he had been involved with her in and out of a relationship for 10 years, since she was a teenager aged 17 I believe. So I think he would know about her gun skills.

And BTW you are right of course, as a jury member, one can only make decisions based on the available evidence...

I shall try and keep an open mind, but so far nothing I've read has convinced me that Sheila Bamber went berserk and killed her twin boys, her adoptive parents and then herself. That leaves only one other person who could have done it.

The house was locked from the inside .... but then the cousin pointed out the faulty window latch whereby someone could have exited the house and the latch would have fallen back into place.

EllanVannin has said that a child could have used that gun. I am no expert on the case but I keep hearing things like that which create doubt.
Maybe JB was not the only person to know about the faulty window latch..........
That means someone else could have got out that way.