Netflix The Crown series 4 starts tonight...who will be watching it?

Sparklefizz

I have come to the end of the series and am surprised that a whole episode was spent on Michael Fagin and yet no mention of the attempted kidnap of Princess Anne and her courage.

I thought the attempted kidnap of Princess Anne was covered in series 3.

Maybe I dreamt it.

DH finished binging on it last night, I cba as I thought that scriptwriters twisted things too much.

Jane10

I was surprised that Andrew and Fergies wedding wasn't made much of. Maybe next series we'll hear how the marriage came unstuck. Also we never heard of Anne's wedding now I come to think of it.

Yet the nieces in the care home had almost a whole episode.

I was surprised that Andrew and Fergies wedding wasn't made much of. Maybe next series we'll hear how the marriage came unstuck. Also we never heard of Anne's wedding now I come to think of it.

From what I’ve read over the years, the Queen Mother was very involved in all the Queen did and they spoke every day, maybe she pushed her to be more Queenly and less Motherly?

I read a so called QM quote that she is supposed to have said to her daughter along the lines of ‘there are potentially millions of ‘mothers’ in the U.K. and only one Queen.

I have come to the end of the series and am surprised that a whole episode was spent on Michael Fagin and yet no mention of the attempted kidnap of Princess Anne and her courage.

Rosecarmel Thank you ?

Rosecarmel Gillian wins by a head!

I was always fascinated by Mrs Thatcher’s teeth, and maintained she had a separate set of dentures to wear when she wanted to appear more smiley and caring.

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From all accounts especially old newsreel the Queen and Princess Margaret had particularly happy childhoods. They were much loved by their parents and their grandfather George Vth adored them especially Elizabeth. Her father the then Duke of York referred to his family as "us four" and they could be seen out and about together as proved by old film. I think that becoming Queen at such an early age underminded her own parenting skills which became clouded by her overriding sense of duty.

I'm finding it slightly dull, I agree about the Michael Fagin episode. Sparklefizz, it was quite long wasn't it?

I was also quite surprised that they wrote in the Bowes-Lyon cousins, who were incarcerated in an asylum in Surrey. Only read about them fairly recently.

I bet the script writers had a field day when the Queen had lunch with a young Prince Andrew and the subject of Koo Stark came up, and then a conversation along the lines of "older powerful men pursuing women such as her" ensued, can't quite remember how it was exactly posed, but that was the gist, skewed no doubt to draw a parallel between that conversation and what were to become several decades on, his own future shenanigans.

I like Gillian Anderson as an actress, she doesn't quite hit the mark for me as Thatcher. Similarly, also like Helena Bonham-Carter, as an actress but she's not Margaret enough imo. Again, Olivia Coleman, wonderful actress, but thus far, Claire Foy has provided the definitive Queen, similarly Matt Smith the best Philip. I think Josh O'Connor makes a good Prince Charles and Emma Corrin, although she doesn't look that much like Diana, I think she's captured her mannerisms and voice very well.

Charles makes a joke and it is taken as jealousy , it is well recorded by the press !

Yes, Charles' jealousy has been well documented in the past.
It seems to be well recorded that during the Australia tour, Charles was jealous and irritated by the way the crowds wanted Diana.

And there is actually film footage of him speaking at a dinner when he comments that he could do with 2 wives as the crowds did not want to see him (or words to that effect)

I thought the Michael Fagin episode was too long.

Yes, sorry Lucca and Annie, I may be wrong in saying the physical affair between Charles and Camilla continued throughout his marriage to Diana, rather than re-starting five years later. If I'm wrong about that, I do not believe I'm wrong in believing that an emotional affair continued. If I discovered that mr i had been continuing regular, secret phone calls and meetings with the love of his life, I would be very cross.

I'm only up to the Michael Fagin episode but I'm enjoying Olivia Coleman's portrayal of the Queen so far. I don't see her as cold, I see it as a fairly affectionate portrayal of the Queen. What a job she had and still has. Her sense of duty is central to her character. I'm not sure her own emotional needs were perfectly met during childhood or later life. She's epitomises that 'get on with it' attitude so many women learn to cultivate.

It seems to be well recorded that during the Australia tour, Charles was jealous and irritated by the way the crowds wanted Diana.

That's the rub though. A world wide audience could well believe what they've seeing and accept it as true and I don't think any family would want it's dirty linen broadcast for world titillation. The Queen is held in high regard in many country's , so it's sad to see her and her immediate family deliberately trashed for the sake of a good story. As I said Shakespeare didn't trash the Tudors. This wretched series certainly trashes the Windsors - spot the difference!

Does anyone else think that our Queen can be as cold as the character as portrayed by Olivia Coleman. I’m thinking especially of the scene where Diana goes to see her after the Australia tour.

And what about Charles where he gets jealous of Diana during the Australia tour. Would he really be this jealous.

Yes. I know it’s just a drama ?

Iam64

The portrayal of Thatcher is a disappointment. Whatever we felt about her, she wasn't the bent over hair do GA is portraying. The Balmoral episode was a pantomime in which Thatcher's hair had its own role.
Didn't Diana's personal protection officer confirm that the affair between Charles and Camilla continued throughout, it didn't end until five years into the marriage.

Ooh dangerous ground there Iam64...........

Jaberwok

On come on! Shakespeare never ever trashed the reigning House/Monarch. It was Tudor propaganda trashing the Plantagenets, certainly not the then current Queen or her family. Shakespeare didn't have a worldwide audience either, so hardly comparable.

It was a throwaway comment . Lighten up. What I meant was Shakespeare can’t have known exactly what his Henrys said and thought but he used their story to create a drama. Same thing with this drama.

Whose marriage Iam ?

The portrayal of Thatcher is a disappointment. Whatever we felt about her, she wasn't the bent over hair do GA is portraying. The Balmoral episode was a pantomime in which Thatcher's hair had its own role.
Didn't Diana's personal protection officer confirm that the affair between Charles and Camilla continued throughout, it didn't end until five years into the marriage.

I think Mrs T did favour her son. Mind you she overlooked Jonathan Aitkin for a ministerial post ,because he made Carol cry! But drastic maybe, but a mother's love is not to be underestimated!

They have no means of redress either which is a bit hard. Obviously they don't have to watch it but even so it must be horrid for them knowing that this unflattering "soap"will be broadcast worldwide. An accurate biography about the Queen and Prince Phillip would be interesting, but not till they're dead!

I've watched all episodes now - the costumes, settings etc. are so well done and must have cost a fortune, and as a soap, drama or whatever it is well done, but the scriptwriter must be anti monarchy given the bias toward Diana. I read an article in the Times at the weekend, and it appears there were so many innacuracies and large swathes of fiction, none of it putting the RF in a good light. It would surely make uncomfortble watching for the whole family.

Yes Maggie's hair is massive. Something strange about the teeth too.
I enjoyed Lady Glenconner's book very much but actually positively disliked Craig Brown's book on Princess Margaret. It just felt like a rehash of Daily Mail articles. Quite unpleasant reading.
To my mind the best writer about the Royal family is Hugo Vickers. His book on Queen Mary was so well written. I wish he would write one about the Queen or maybe Prince Philip. A lot to find out there I suspect.

Netflix, by their inaccuracies. No wonder Prince Harry is insisting that he series stops before his relationship with Meghan. What a hypocrite!!