Dialects and lazy speech - there is a difference

Sorry, I’m as bad. ‘It’s become everyday accepted speech’

No, she is quite correct. Most people, especially younger ones don’t know how to pronounce the letter ‘T’.
It’s become everyday accepted last speech and it’s very sad.

I agree I think it’s appalling. I come from East London but my mother would soon pick us up on it if we started saying things like ain’t or wort-er. I hate it when people say things like you done, you was, etc. instead of the correct words. It makes me cringe.

There are people who speak "correct" English but whose diction is poor and makes them hard to understand.

There are also people who speak in regional accents and use what some consider "incorrect" English, but who are perfectly understandable, even if they say things such as foree five rather than forty-five.

In my opinion, the latter make perfectly good presenters, and it is good that presenters do not all speak RE, given that most British people don't speak it.
Be proud of the richness of our language.

It seems so lazy to only want to hear one version

I like to listen to different accents and dialects.

would prefer clarity and precision from national tv presenters and announcers
However, pronouncing words clearly is of paramount importance.

Some presenters seem to 'swallow' the ends of their words which I find annoying.

I’m with those few, it would appear, who have no problem with regional accents, (God knows, I have one myself) but would prefer clarity and precision from national tv presenters and announcers. As a Highland Scot who has gone on to live in Glasgow and several different parts of England and Wales, I have encountered and enjoyed many different regional accents. But there is a world of difference between those who speak clearly, whilst using all the vocabulary, pronunciation and intonation specific to their dialects, and those who speak lazily: slurring their words and making no allowances for the listener. Surely the whole point of speaking is communication? It’s fine to speak as you wish amongst your cronies who will always understand your utterances, but in other circumstances it’s no more than common sense and good manners to ensure you are understood by the individual(s) whom you are addressing. If there’s any snobbishness involved, it’s on the part of those who hold their audiences in contempt by refusing to make any allowances to aid comprehension.

aussi

Not Aussie

FannyCornforth

Ah Callistemon! I remember we’ve had this conversation before.
Apologies, chick

All reet me duck

I had a feeling of déjà vu aiussi
That's posh because it's French!

Yes, hen is gorgeous.

I love Hen.
My exes 2 girls used to call me that.

Ah Callistemon! I remember we’ve had this conversation before.
Apologies, chick

Re: ? Apparently it comes from ‘dock’ or something similar, (I don’t know the exact word. I don’t have time to find out at the mo) which is Old English for love.

FannyCornforth

‘Duck’ is very much East Midlands.
Wlm S. is more likely to have said ‘chick’ or ‘bab’

I'm West Midlands and we said "duck", me duck
?

My dad's mum called me duck.
At least that's what it sounded like.

‘Duck’ is very much East Midlands.
Wlm S. is more likely to have said ‘chick’ or ‘bab’

Glorianny could it have been Irving Welsh (if it wasn’t Tom Leonard)
I have no idea, but it sounds like the sort of thing that Welsh would do

yggdrasil

I didn't write "Ere, me old mucker, ave you eard about the quali'y ov mercy not bein strained? Yeah! It droppev as the gen'le rain..."
No I didn't. I spoke with a Midlands accent, so it would have sounded much more Black Country when I read it out.
Regards Wm Shakesper

Who was himself from the Midlands, me duck.

I think that, wherever we lived in the UK, some schools did try to teach their pupils received pronunciation.

We had elocution lessons at my State school.
I don't think they were trying to make us sound like an aristocrat but rather to make us speak distinctly without a regional accent.

Wasn't there a Scottish writer who wrote his degree dissertation in Scots and the university refused to accept it until he was published and became a revered author when they suddenly decided it was OK. Might have been the poet Tom Leonard. I love this poem of his

Feed Ma Lamz
Amyir gaffirz gaffir. Hark.
nay fornirz ur communists
nay langwij
nay lip
nay laffn ina sunday
nay g.b.h (septina wawr)
nay nooky huntn
nay tea-leaven
nay chanty rasslin
nay nooky huntn nix doar
nur kuvitn thir ox
Oaky doaky. Stick way it
—rahl burn thi loata yiz.

Even a Glaswegian friend wasn't sure about "chanty rasslin"

Well it's the same in the wider UK but we're not suggesting we go back to asking the Romans what we should be doing.

No. We need competent politicians to lead the country. No sign of that at all.

No, not snobbish school teachers. School teachers who had bought into the "Scots is slang" idea because that is what the establishment and the educational authorities had taught them. It was the sixties after all.

"Cringing" can include thinking that the Scots are just not bright enough to be trusted with running their own affairs, we need the English to show us what to do.

Nae cringin' in my house, not any more.

So you had snobbish school teachers. That was down to them. Cringe if you want to. Not me though! Wha daur!

We need some signs like that here

"Go raaaand 'ere and take the next left, soppy git"

Anyone pause to think that maybe paddyann just missed off an "s"? That she was talking about the perceived influence of anglo-centric UK and a single "proper" language?

Colloquial Scots was certainly banned when I was at school and it wasn't until relatively recently that I discovered it wasn't colloquial Scots at all, it was my mother tongue. And if you spoke your mother tongue, you got the belt.

The only thing worse than the masters in Westminster is the Scottish-cringe North Britons in Scotland.